I’m about to purchase a XZ1 Compact and have some questions before jumping onboard the Xperia bandwagon;
1a) The phone supports UMTS 1700/2100, Bands 4, 7, 13 and 66, all of which are what I need for Freedom Mobile (Wind) compatibility. As far as I know, LTE switching on the Freedom network is buggy unless the phone is flashed with the larger XZ1 firmware. Does this void warranty?
1b) If I receive an OTA update to Android 8.1 for the phone and it’s already had it’s firmware flashed, will I need to reflash the firmware from the XZ1?
1c) Does a factory reset also reset the flashed firmware?
1d) Any video tutorials on how to do this? Visual There’s this reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/freedommob...uide_xpost_rsonyxperia_modifying_xz1_compact/ But an on-screen step-by-step would be best.
2) Does EIS still work in 3rd party camera apps like Camera FV-5? If so, is the quality in third party apps on par with Sony’s stock application?
3) Does the use of Nova Launcher allow me to swap app icons to stock Android icons?
4) With the nearing Mobile World Congress next month and some rumored devices, what is the chance of a XZ2 Compact being announced next month? I’m feeling like if I bite the bullet now and get the XZ1 Compact, I might regret if a successor was announced soon.
5) When connecting the phone to a Mac, does mounting the MicroSD card on Macs display it as an external drive or do I still have to use Android File Transfer?
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1a) The phone supports UMTS 1700/2100, Bands 4, 7, 13 and 66, all of which are what I need for Freedom Mobile (Wind) compatibility. As far as I know, LTE switching on the Freedom network is buggy unless the phone is flashed with the larger XZ1 firmware. Does this void warranty?
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Making modifications to the firmware, especially involving flashing firmware from a different model, definitely voids warranty.
If you ever need warranty service, just flash clean original stock firmware, and you should be good to go.
1b) If I receive an OTA update to Android 8.1 for the phone and it’s already had it’s firmware flashed, will I need to reflash the firmware from the XZ1?
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You'll likely be unable to install OTA updates since your firmware would be modified (assuming you followed the guide). You will still get update notifications though, but attempts to install will fail.
If you do wish to update, you'd probably have to manually do so using Xperia Companion or a third-party tool like flashtool or newflasher, then apply the modifications again.
1c) Does a factory reset also reset the flashed firmware?
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No, it stays on the same version, just with all your data wiped.
1d) Any video tutorials on how to do this? Visual There’s this reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/freedommob...uide_xpost_rsonyxperia_modifying_xz1_compact/ But an on-screen step-by-step would be best.
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Doubt it, sounds like an extremely niche use case.
2) Does EIS still work in 3rd party camera apps like Camera FV-5? If so, is the quality in third party apps on par with Sony’s stock application?
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Not sure, but given how locked down their camera is and Sony's love for keeping proprietary stuff off-limits, I won't bet on it.
4) With the nearing Mobile World Congress next month and some rumored devices, what is the chance of a XZ2 Compact being announced next month? I’m feeling like if I bite the bullet now and get the XZ1 Compact, I might regret if a successor was announced soon.
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I'm willing to bet good money on "NO". History has shown the compact variant usually announced and released in the bottom half of the year on a yearly basis.
So you'd be enjoying the latest and greatest compact for at least another six months.
EDIT: Welp, just heard a rumor that may cause me to lose my bet, so I'm going to redact my previous comment.
According to the rumor, they might be announcing a new compact at MWC 2018, which is about a month from now. However, suppose they do, it'll probably be weeks if not months until it's actually released and available, so you'll have to decide if it's worth it to wait that long, there's also the possibility that the rumor is false.
The way I see it, the XZ1C is a top of the line phone, a newer model isn't going to suddenly make it obsolete, it will still perform like a champ.
Not to mention the trend of Sony removing features from their phones compared to the previous generation, the rumored new compact might be gimped even more than the XZ1C, maybe it'll lose the headphone jack or something, hard to say.
ungraphic said:
I’m about to purchase a XZ1 Compact and have some questions before jumping onboard the Xperia bandwagon;
1a) The phone supports UMTS 1700/2100, Bands 4, 7, 13 and 66, all of which are what I need for Freedom Mobile (Wind) compatibility. As far as I know, LTE switching on the Freedom network is buggy unless the phone is flashed with the larger XZ1 firmware. Does this void warranty?
1b) If I receive an OTA update to Android 8.1 for the phone and it’s already had it’s firmware flashed, will I need to reflash the firmware from the XZ1?
1c) Does a factory reset also reset the flashed firmware?
1d) Any video tutorials on how to do this? Visual There’s this reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/freedommob...uide_xpost_rsonyxperia_modifying_xz1_compact/ But an on-screen step-by-step would be best.
2) Does EIS still work in 3rd party camera apps like Camera FV-5? If so, is the quality in third party apps on par with Sony’s stock application?
3) Does the use of Nova Launcher allow me to swap app icons to stock Android icons?
4) With the nearing Mobile World Congress next month and some rumored devices, what is the chance of a XZ2 Compact being announced next month? I’m feeling like if I bite the bullet now and get the XZ1 Compact, I might regret if a successor was announced soon.
5) When connecting the phone to a Mac, does mounting the MicroSD card on Macs display it as an external drive or do I still have to use Android File Transfer?
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Wow, so many questions.
It's the best compact that Sony have made.
Buy it.
Both Xperia Companion and Android File Transfer will mount the internal storage and the SD card in an application-specific window. To the best of my knowledge, you cannot mount the phone and SD card directly in the Mac Finder, as you can using Windows Explorer.
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Making modifications to the firmware, especially involving flashing firmware from a different model, definitely voids warranty.
If you ever need warranty service, just flash clean original stock firmware, and you should be good to go.
You'll likely be unable to install OTA updates since your firmware would be modified (assuming you followed the guide). You will still get update notifications though, but attempts to install will fail.
If you do wish to update, you'd probably have to manually do so using Xperia Companion or a third-party tool like flashtool or newflasher, then apply the modifications again.
No, it stays on the same version, just with all your data wiped.
Doubt it, sounds like an extremely niche use case.
Not sure, but given how locked down their camera is and Sony's love for keeping proprietary stuff off-limits, I won't bet on it.
I'm willing to bet good money on "NO". History has shown the compact variant usually announced and released in the bottom half of the year on a yearly basis.
So you'd be enjoying the latest and greatest compact for at least another six months.
EDIT: Welp, just heard a rumor that may cause me to lose my bet, so I'm going to redact my previous comment.
According to the rumor, they might be announcing a new compact at MWC 2018, which is about a month from now. However, suppose they do, it'll probably be weeks if not months until it's actually released and available, so you'll have to decide if it's worth it to wait that long, there's also the possibility that the rumor is false.
The way I see it, the XZ1C is a top of the line phone, a newer model isn't going to suddenly make it obsolete, it will still perform like a champ.
Not to mention the trend of Sony removing features from their phones compared to the previous generation, the rumored new compact might be gimped even more than the XZ1C, maybe it'll lose the headphone jack or something, hard to say.
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Thank you! There was some news today that the 'compact' is supposed to be a budget model with a taller 5" screen and still with bezels. Here's the news:
https://www.gsmarena.com/an_189_son...have_been_certified_by_the_fcc-news-29402.php
Reddit discussion:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyXperia/comments/7uay7u/189_sony_xperia_compact_certified_by_the_fcc/
Mockup new phone compared to XZ1 Compact:
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Given the sizing, I'm out. I'd wait if it kept the form factor but increased the screen size... OR kept the screen size and shrunk the phone. Also, not a fan of 18:9 ratio.
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Hi, guys. Hope you're OK
I am not trying to troll or be an asshole, but instead try to point to some of the "flaws" or elements with the phone I'm a little disappointed with. I have been a big fan of the Samsung Galaxy phones and I've had them all (actually I still have the S4) and now that I have the Z1 I can point on the flaws easier, because in my opinion the software on the S4 (Touchwiz) are much better. I can mention the built-in widgets, the home screen "editor" (I can't even restock the windows with Z1), the alarm clock has less features, calendar is not as intuitive, SMS settings are very bad and really illogical and buggy and so on.
However, I love the Z1 design, gallery, the screen, happy with the sound and camera, but I just don't know what to do. Do you think these problems and settings will be fixed in future updates? I think it's rather scary that I get a Samsung S1 and S2 feelings from some of the settings I have on the Z1. This isn't good. Didn't Sony even try Samsung phones?
An example is the SMS settings mentioned above. When I receive a message I don't want the message to visible on the status bar, but I really want to get notified in the status bar that a message has been received, but don't want to read the actual message. I can't see any settings for this at all. Touchwiz had these exact same settings in S1 and early S2. When, at the Z1, I'm trying to disable the status bar notifications, it automatically also grays out (disabling) the ability to have shake notification and even sound notification. What the hell is this?!
I got the Z1 today and noticed 3-4 or more of these "bugs". Anyone else noticed the same?
So to my questions:
Should I deliver the device back and take a chance that Sony will fix this? Or should I expect Sony to already have implemented this if they were smart enough from the beginning?
I see people are mentioning firmware updates already. I don't have these (UK version, living in Norway)
Will this device be rooted flawlessly in the future without camera brick?
How is Sony's history regarding updates on their devices?
Thanks Hopefully someone can answer or typing their thoughts on this dilema and what I (or someone else) should do.
Have a nice evening.
More stuff I miss
I will update this post in the future if feel it's necessary to write more "missing" features in the Z1.
Live wallpapers?
Hide applications?
Move the app button in the middle of the bottom menu and even insert more apps here than 4 only
Shortcut to new messages etc via the lock screen
LED notification blink rate (WAY TO long wait)
•Should I deliver the device back and take a chance that Sony will fix this? Or should I expect Sony to already have implemented this if they were smart enough from the beginning?
Generally speaking Sony always are a bit behind(1-3months) on several features that you expect, it's normal for Sony and that won't change.
•I see people are mentioning firmware updates already. I don't have these (UK version, living in Norway)
Once again when it comes to firmware updates they usually release them piece by piece in different regions which can take weeks for some regions while for some it usually takes hours after they announce them
•Will this device be rooted flawlessly in the future without camera brick?
Seeing as Sony has established a good connection with developers I have confidence in Sony that as soo nas they sort everything out then they will be ready to open up everything without bricking the camera or other things
•How is Sony's history regarding updates on their devices?
Back in the X10 days it was pretty bad but if you ask me right now I would say that they are one of the better ones. They were first to commit to updating to Kitkat so thats a positive sign for the future seeing as the phone is a week old.. Lately Sony phones has 18months update spans which is pretty decent
Extra: Live wallpapers is available just longpress on a empty space in the homescreen and choose Wallpaper > Live wallpaper
Hide applications: You can put tapplications in a folder and then put away from the others.
More apps in the menu is possible only with a folder.
LED: can be controlled by any app from the Play store(Ex. Light flow )
Messages in lockscreen: No idea
I think you need to keep in mind that Sony delivers a very stock and basic feature set. While Samsung is LOADED with features and whatnot, Sony keeps it very clean.
Look at sony like this:
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and at Samsung like this:
because that's what basically going on. Based on that fact, I don't think Sony will change their vision in that respect. Sony will keep their phones from being loaded with often useless features while Samsung keeps 'innovating' (IMO) and adding features. So if you expect Sony to add tons and tons of software features, you may be better off selling your Z1 and getting a note 3, or of course keep your S4 since it's still a great device it seems.
On the bug-related side, I think it's pretty safe to say that Sony will solve these issues. Since the release of the Z1 we've already had 4 updates, these, at least as far as most of us can see, didn't add/fix a whole lot, but they are updates and that's important. It means Sony most likely has a good team of developers working on the Z1 and trying to improve it. (note: it looks like it, nothing is guaranteed) Please also keep in mind this is a very new device and we still have a long time to go, you should give them some time I think.
Now to (try to) answer your questions:
This is your own decision, I think you should wait a bit to see if Sony indeed fixes some of the bugs you mentioned.
This is depended on the region you are in. You can always get the latest software here on XDA and flash it using flashtool.
Yes.
I didn't own any Sony devices before to be honest. From what I've read though Sony wasn't good at all in the beginning. Bringing out a device with Android 1.5 I believe it was while 'we' were already on 2.1 or 2.2. When Sony came to the market with their new developer friendly mindset though it became all a lot better. AOSP is now officially supported by Sony for a couple of devices. They offered a totally different OS for one phone. (Firefox OS, for a low-end phone though) They really seem to be getting their stuff together and I expect to see Sony continue these actions.
I think I look at phones differently than you. I don't like leaving a computer with only the software it came with on it. That's what these phones are now a days, mobile computers. The last thing on my mind when I choose a phone is the applications it runs. I always buy android phones do to their customizable nature. I don't like a phone to tell me what apps I should be using. Anything you don't have or anything you could want can generally be found in an app store or custom rom. Have you ever installed an app on your computer? I doubt very few people leave their desktop computers stock without installing itunes or something.
To me even apps provided by sony is too much i reduce the apps.. my previous one since i updated to Z1 can only used as phone i.e calls and messaging.. i may need certain tasks not found stock... some specialised app... which i install additionally... my friend tells the phone is not lively...i keep white wallpaper... one homescreen etc... not an issue. I love the Z1 design, gallery, the screen, camera and performance.. only negative i felt is crappy sound...thats it... so it is personal if a person like a phone... i think you can disable notification in messaging and install handcent to achieve your goal.. if you root you can remove native messaging app too..
Open Source Developer support has always been good to me... on my Xperia S alone, I have a choice of 10-15 different ROMs! 5-10 of which are still being actively developed! I get almost weekly updates from these amazing developers... don't even get me started on Xperia Z...
I love having this support because I prefer to keep my phone as bloatfree as possible... as close to stock android as possible but still have the Sony UI latest features (like right now I have Xperia S but with Z1 looking UI and Z1 features)...
If I want live wallpapers, I'll go to playstore download a few... If I want a different UI, I can go and download APEX or NOVA Launchers...
I had a few samsungs and LGs before but I love the Sony UI a lot more because of its simplicity... and they way they hide functions (like small apps, access by long pressing home button) to keep the UI clean... for me this is a case of less is more...
LGs and Samsungs just has too much functions that I rarely use, loaded in your UI (like they would put everything in the pull down notifications, or put everything in settings etc.) its just very messy... True that Sony UI may take some time to adjust, but once you do, you will never want to go back to LG Samsung bloated UI...
Just my 2 cents
Thanks for all the answers people. To me honest I were expecting flame wars and getting attacked by irrational fan boys. Nice to see we can keep the discussion at a grown up and realistic manner. Don't see that often on forums nowadays.
hasona said:
•Should I deliver the device back and take a chance that Sony will fix this? Or should I expect Sony to already have implemented this if they were smart enough from the beginning?
Generally speaking Sony always are a bit behind(1-3months) on several features that you expect, it's normal for Sony and that won't change.
Ok, I guess I will give it some more time and see what happens.
•Will this device be rooted flawlessly in the future without camera brick?
Seeing as Sony has established a good connection with developers I have confidence in Sony that as soo nas they sort everything out then they will be ready to open up everything without bricking the camera or other things
Do you think we'll be able to install vanilla Android, Cyanogen mod and do exactly how we like? I've always been a fan of stock room, but it need to suit my needs and be perfect. I actually think the Samsungs S3 and S4 TouchWiz is amazing. Maybe a few unecessary features, but all in all I love it.
Extra: Live wallpapers is available just longpress on a empty space in the homescreen and choose Wallpaper > Live wallpaper
Thanks, but to be honest, this isn't exactly live wallpapers but rather scrolling, static wallpapers. However, I see someone mentioning getting real live wallpapers from Google Play.
LED: can be controlled by any app from the Play store(Ex. Light flow )
Messages in lockscreen: No idea
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Thanks for this tip. Very happy
At the end of the day it's your personal preference and I agree with others here Sony provides a clutter free clean UI which is very much like a stock Nexus UI with little features added and the best thing about android is you can download apps and customize the hell out of it to get it to where you want.
P.S This thread strictly speaking belongs in the Q&A section
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I have desided to keep my Z1 and see what happens. Based on the replies from you guys and some heavy thinking I think Sony deserves a chance on fixing the minor bugs. The rest of the stuff I can live with and even download as apps. Now I should just sit tight and wait for updates and hope for the best.
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Thanks for all the answers people. To me honest I were expecting flame wars and getting attacked by irrational fan boys. Nice to see we can keep the discussion at a grown up and realistic manner. Don't see that often on forums nowadays.
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Nah you don't really have to. The difference between the questions you asked and the question(s) other people ask is that you don't go in full 'attack-mode' so to speak. You have arguments for why you think a certain thing and it just opens up for a good discussion where people will give well argumented replies.
TL;DR you don't come across as a spoiled cretin.
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Do you think we'll be able to install vanilla Android, Cyanogen mod and do exactly how we like? I've always been a fan of stock room, but it need to suit my needs and be perfect. I actually think the Samsungs S3 and S4 TouchWiz is amazing. Maybe a few unecessary features, but all in all I love it.
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I am almost 100% sure that you will see some Vanilla android and other custom roms like CM at least by christmas time or a little bit into 2014, check out the Xperia S forum and you will understand what I mean because it is full of improvements, custom roms and mods
Thanks, but to be honest, this isn't exactly live wallpapers but rather scrolling, static wallpapers. However, I see someone mentioning getting real live wallpapers from Google Play
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Downloading extra wallpapers is pretty easy on the Play store, I personally don't really like them - they kinda distract me from the UX
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Nah you don't really have to. The difference between the questions you asked and the question(s) other people ask is that you don't go in full 'attack-mode' so to speak. You have arguments for why you think a certain thing and it just opens up for a good discussion where people will give well argumented replies.
TL;DR you don't come across as a spoiled cretin.
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Yup I agree!
I can't just come into a product related forum and say "suck this" "suck that" this product should be this and that and expect everyone to be nice... its a flame thread waiting to happen... this is not a customer service forum lol
The OP was very respectful and asked legitimate questions, so he got respectful and legitimate answers :good:
Just my 2 cents:
I used Galaxies since SGS II and loved them.
When I got my ZU one week ago and my Z1 two days ago I had a hard time to "learn" a new UI and missed some Galaxy features.
But as it is with everything new I got acquainted with Sony UI VERY fast and now I LOVE the easy and fast handling. Sony UI fits more to my needs than Sammy's ever did...
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Regarding roms, we're already seeing the early stages of CyanogenMod (and that also means AOSP-support) for the Z1, mere weeks (week?) after its release. This speaks volumes I think, and I am not surprised, Sony (as opposed to Samsung in this case) have won the hearts of developers across the globe by being very open and supportive regarding 3rd-party development on their devices. Source code and binary blobs for the Z1 were released a week prior to the availability of the device.
In fact, there were actually people who ported TouchWiz to the predecessor Xperia Z, and I fully expect the same to happen with the Xperia Z1, in case you really can't let the Samsung UI go.
Bottom line, pick the hardware you like best, the community (or the manufacturer, but more often the community) will solve your software issues 9 times out of 10 in my experience. Obviously this only applies to devices where the first party developers are open with the source code, and Sony most certainly are. So select the hardware you like best from the subset of devices where proper source code is available.
Personally I love that Sonys UI is so close to AOSP, yet still gives off a more refined experience, without really losing anything.
Thanks troed and Rekoil for your 2 cents. Really helped a lot. I have desided to keep my wonderful Z1 as I have, as you also mentioned, given it a chance and I love the simplicity of the phone and how fast is it. It was diffiult first, but now I can't imagine me going back to Galaxy. Your posts made me even more secure of my desision Mostly because I can expect some nice roms with root in the future.
I can say I miss root since I want Droidwall app so that I can close WLAN or 3G connection for chosen apps.
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Just root it, its different to unlocking,
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Just root it, its different to unlocking,
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Really? Didn't know that. I'll look into it. Thanks.
Edit:
http://wccftech.com/how-to-root-sony-xperia-z1-with-one-click-root-tool/
Anyone did this? Is it safe?
Anyone else interested in putting together a bounty for rooting this phone? I'd be willing to put a good amount of money towards it and I think pooling together would be a good incentive. I'm already missing being able to use xposed modules, plus I want to get rid of the bloatware.
I would offer money towards someone rooting the phone, but it could take literally months before it happens.
I'm absolutely fine with it taking months, just so long as it happens eventually. Even though considering the Note 4, it probably won't.
It would have to be a pledge thread and must be tracked and OP updated on a timely fashion with running total pledge. No off topic conversations at all just pledges or removal of pledges. It is a lot of work.
Keep us moderators in this section in on the loop. ?
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Have a great day!
Worked for the S5 haha. I'm down. I'd put probably $50 on root $100 on BL even though I know it's a pipe dream xD
Almost have to laugh at these bounty threads for root. You should of known buying an at&t or verizon galaxy would have a virgin tight locked bootloader. If you wanted root you could of bought an unlocked s6 or a tmobile varient. Not bashing just saying its a rerun every new galaxy release.
I'm coming from an M8 after giving up my S4 and hadn't thought to buy T-Mobile branded and then carrier unlock it and alas I am now in far too deep. Still love the phone, just Miss all my xposed modules
I'm interested in this. It's been confirmed now that the bootloader is locked. Could someone setup an official thread?
I dont know if it will help the root process but here is the info that is shown on the recovery and download menus.
Download menu
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Top of Recovery menu - sorry for the flash it was the only way my camera would focus
Bottom of Recovery menu
sorry for the quality of the images I don't have steady hands.
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Almost have to laugh at these bounty threads for root. You should of known buying an at&t or verizon galaxy would have a virgin tight locked bootloader. If you wanted root you could of bought an unlocked s6 or a tmobile varient. Not bashing just saying its a rerun every new galaxy release.
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Truer words have never been spoken. I wouldn't expect to ever have root on an AT&T S6. Plan on staying on the operating system that you have, which may be a good thing anyway. I've had Samsung phones for a few years and the ROMS that worked best were the stock ones. Like it or not, they built the phone and the software they built for it works best.
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Truer words have never been spoken. I wouldn't expect to ever have root on an AT&T S6. Plan on staying on the operating system that you have, which may be a good thing anyway. I've had Samsung phones for a few years and the ROMS that worked best were the stock ones. Like it or not, they built the phone and the software they built for it works best.
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I agree 100% basically if you buy Samsung you should stick with touchwiz, but it sure would be nice to get a couple xposed modules, just to turn off the persistent wifi notification and a few other things.
Xposed for lollipop does not work on samsung phones atm. Doesn't sound like the dev has a whole ton of time to address. . So no rush on rooting for that.
I wish there was something like a kernel exploit so that it would be at least possible to soft root it.
Good luck. You'll need to buy an unlocked boot loader to have root nowadays with AT&T. I'm guessing it might be a bit harder to get with a Exynos processor since dev support isn't a big as SD SoCs. I'm still waiting for Root for my Note 4 AT&T model. I will never buy another device through AT&T again. But here's the hill you guys will be facing.
1. Android Exploit
2. Kernel Exploit
3. A Dev to link them together into a working package.
Now #3 in the least of them all and even that will require a talented individual or two. As for #1 and #2, well you just have to keep your eyes on websites such as http://seclists.org/ and https://nvd.nist.gov to see if any exploits are found by security groups.
Good lucks guys, I really hope to see someone stick it to AT&T this time.
I think I'm going to return my AT&T version, found out I can get a full refund, and then I'll buy the international version.
I gave up my unlimited data plan to say F.U. to AT&T and their locked bootloaders.
Leave now while you still can.
T-Mobile wants you.
Service isn't as good but dAMMIT you can root your phones. Never have to wait longer than a week for root on the TMO phone releases.
I wish I knew more about what has to be done in order to get root because as an android user I just simply miss the little tweaks you could achieve with root. I also want to get rid of this ridiculous bloatware. I don't even use instagram so why the **** is it on my phone and always asking to be updated? I just miss being able to do things like stream all of my phones audio to a dlna source to listen to my music by the pool or in the speakers hardwired into my home. I will be willing to put $30 in if we are seriously considering a bounty which I hope we do because more incentive for it to be achieved is obviously good.
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I wish I knew more about what has to be done in order to get root because as an android user I just simply miss the little tweaks you could achieve with root. I also want to get rid of this ridiculous bloatware. I don't even use instagram so why the **** is it on my phone and always asking to be updated? I just miss being able to do things like stream all of my phones audio to a dlna source to listen to my music by the pool or in the speakers hardwired into my home. I will be willing to put $30 in if we are seriously considering a bounty which I hope we do because more incentive for it to be achieved is obviously good.
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Do your research before buying! It would save you all some frustration. I enjoy Samsung's take on Android, find the phone fast enough, and can disable most of the bloat and ignore the 1 or 2 apps that I cant. If root comes for the AT&T version that would be great and I'd take full advantage of that, but it's enjoyable enough without it to a lot of people, and not worth complaining about. It's not like any of this is a surprise, just do your research before you make the purchase.
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Do your research before buying! It would save you all some frustration. I enjoy Samsung's take on Android, find the phone fast enough, and can disable most of the bloat and ignore the 1 or 2 apps that I cant. If root comes for the AT&T version that would be great and I'd take full advantage of that, but it's enjoyable enough without it to a lot of people, and not worth complaining about. It's not like any of this is a surprise, just do your research before you make the purchase.
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I was fully aware it had a locked bootloader as I was expecting it and to think otherwise would be nonsensical. It's just I buy through my business as the monthly rates are cheaper so I have no option to go but at&t and this was the phone I wanted. I just think it's pointless to have so much bloat ware and a tightly locked bootloader. Not to mention I simply don't have the money to buy off plan. Just rely on Knox to get rid of someone's warranty if they root but atleast give the customer the option. Don't get me wrong I could live without it and touch wiz isn't as bad as it used to be but I love the community that comes with rooting and customization and you don't really appreciate it until it's gone. That and I also have a few paid apps that require root. I don't like talking off topic so I think we should get back to what this thread is about and seriously debate whether a bounty is worth it.
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I think I'm going to return my AT&T version, found out I can get a full refund, and then I'll buy the international version.
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So I can buy the international version and that will work fully on AT&T? Is the boot loader unlocked on those? I have the money so this sounds like it may be a good option for me.
This is one thing holding me back from Huawei phones. From my previous experience, Huawei don't offer a reliable schedule of security updates. You get a couple and they seem to move onto thier next release and forget everything else.
Are they still like this? How have you got on with previous Huawei phones?
I'm on the fence regarding this also - my previous experience was that UK devices had poor update support - while EU devices were far better - waiting to see this time (not fussed about missing out on any Watch/Charger promotion).
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I'm on the fence regarding this also - my previous experience was that UK devices had poor update support - while EU devices were far better - waiting to see this time (not fussed about missing out on any Watch/Charger promotion).
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very wise. also, if you give it a couple of months to see how it gets on the price will fall too. Might be worth buying from amazon.de before March 29th to retain EU warranty. Should get better updates from the EU phone. I've been told by a contact at Huawei, that the Three network are causing the delays in the UK. Even if your are on a different network!
Has a quick look to see how the Mate 10 pro is getting on with updates. Sadly its not good. Looks like most M10P users have been put off with the M20P for this reason. Why can't Huawei on this?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-10/help/uk-firmware-updates-thread-bla-l09-t3730944/page52
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Has a quick look to see how the Mate 10 pro is getting on with updates. Sadly its not good. Looks like most M10P users have been put off with the M20P for this reason. Why can't Huawei on this?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-10/help/uk-firmware-updates-thread-bla-l09-t3730944/page52
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What are u talking about? EU gets one update per month,'it's the most updated phone in Europe besides Pixel maybe
ppl whining cuz their carriers **** up things,one look at firmware finder and you'll see there's even too much updates
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What are u talking about? EU gets one update per month,'it's the most updated phone in Europe besides Pixel maybe
ppl whining cuz their carriers **** up things,one look at firmware finder and you'll see there's even too much updates
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I didn't get many on my last Huawei phone despite Firmware Finder. My Pixel gets them every month on the same network. That is why people are whining.
Change carriers. They obviously favor Google phones. I'm even bit unsatisfied by too many updates for Mate 10 pro cuz I like to factory reset phone after each.
Taking a look at FF they pushed out 16 updates for EU region in last 12 months. Champions of updates I'd say
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Change carriers. They obviously favor Google phones. I'm even bit unsatisfied by too many updates for Mate 10 pro cuz I like to factory reset phone after each.
Taking a look at FF they pushed out 16 updates for EU region in last 12 months. Champions of updates I'd say
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Thats really good to hear. Gives me more confidence!
Other regions weren't so lucky tho, like USA
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Change carriers. They obviously favor Google phones. I'm even bit unsatisfied by too many updates for Mate 10 pro cuz I like to factory reset phone after each.
Taking a look at FF they pushed out 16 updates for EU region in last 12 months. Champions of updates I'd say
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Trouble is from my experience EU had great update support, UK had poor support often 2 or 3 software updates behind (although I think security updates were a bit more regular). If I get a Mate 20 I’d be tempted to get a dual sim EU model over the single sim UK one.
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Trouble is from my experience EU had great update support, UK had poor support often 2 or 3 software updates behind (although I think security updates were a bit more regular). If I get a Mate 20 I’d be tempted to get a dual sim EU model over the single sim UK one.
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This is why i use a pixel. Huawei in the UK seem to lag behind. Rumours are the 3 network is holding up precedings. This will affect you even if you're on a different network.
Several several years ago, I swore never to buy a Huawei phone again because of the horrendous lack of updates. Back then it was the enormous jump from KK to lollipop. Nexus devices back then we're about to jump to marshmallow before Huawei updated their phone to lollipop. This was on the Ascend Mate 7.
I am tempted to get the Mate 20 Pro, but am afraid of the lack of support. I'm debating on the Huawei phone vs the 6T at this point. Choices.. I enjoy wide angle lenses but also enjoy smooth stock android. If only the 6T had a wide angle lens, it wouldn't even be a debate for me.
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Several several years ago, I swore never to buy a Huawei phone again because of the horrendous lack of updates. Back then it was the enormous jump from KK to lollipop. Nexus devices back then we're about to jump to marshmallow before Huawei updated their phone to lollipop. This was on the Ascend Mate 7.
I am tempted to get the Mate 20 Pro, but am afraid of the lack of support. I'm debating on the Huawei phone vs the 6T at this point. Choices.. I enjoy wide angle lenses but also enjoy smooth stock android. If only the 6T had a wide angle lens, it wouldn't even be a debate for me.
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Same as me, I swore i'd never buy Huawei again because of their poor support. Its a lot of money to drop on a phone that will get dropped. Does anyone know how Android treble is working out for Huawei? Will this alleviate any fears?
I was complaining to my wife that my lg g7 only got one update since I got it. She, on the other hand, was annoyed because of how many updates she got since she had the p20 pro. Although, her phone was not bought from a carrier.
Or maybe Huawei has a new approach to updates? Considering the fact that they've stated numerous times that they want to become the #1 phone manufacturer, or beat samsung (something like that). And consistent updates would take a lot from samsung's market, knowing how inconsistent they are.
Also, huawei is one of the first to come with pie updates, which gives me confidence in them. "Don't forget about oneplus". Yeah, oneplus only has to worry about softwear, given the fact that their hardwear is borrowed from whatstheirface.
Mate 10 updates have been solid for me here in NZ, no issues with frequency of security updates.
There is one phone for UK/ EU this time. Put a sim inside, and it will OTA add your networks specific network settings/apps/maybe a splash screen. Factory reset, and everything is removed, including splash screen.
I am hoping this new system also means faster updates in the UK as well.
Will the Pixel get updates quicker and potentially for longer. Probably yes. That's the choice you have to make.
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There is one phone for UK/ EU this time. Put a sim inside, and it will OTA add your networks specific network settings/apps/maybe a splash screen. Factory reset, and everything is removed, including splash screen.
I am hoping this new system also means faster updates in the UK as well.
Will the Pixel get updates quicker and potentially for longer. Probably yes. That's the choice you have to make.
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Actually, it's even better than you describe. As far as security and OS updates are concerned, there's one phone for non-China and one phone for China. Previously we had software updates separated by branding (Asia/C636, Europe/C432, UK/C782, Middle East/C185) as well as by dual sim or single sim (L09/L29)
As things are with the new models, there is one firmware file for every non-Chinese Mate 20 Pro, and one firmware file for every Chinese Mate 20 Pro. Then there are separate files for branding-related changes which can be updated and packaged separately from the main firmware file.
The result is that one update file is valid for all of the non-Chinese phones, to update the features, security patch, etc.
This is a new thing with EMUI 9, and it will also apply to older phones updated to EMUI 9, like P20 series, Mate 10 series, so on.
My carrier Optus is unfortunately well known for failing to provide regular Huawei updates so hopefully I will eventually be able to debrand my Mate 20 Pro somehow.
If you're feeling unsure about security updates, this might make you feel better
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LOL, clear as day that reply. Maybe until you are old and grey
Hello everyone!
I just got the Note 9, coming from an S7. So far I'm in love with it! Definitely the best phone I've ever had, however, I did notice one issue I'm not particularly comfortable with. If I check my software information I see the security patch level is from July 1st 2018. If I tap on software update it says the latest updates are already installed.
I was quite hyped about the One UI update, but seeing this I started to wonder If I'll ever get it via OTA, and most importantly that I will probably be stuck forever on this July patch and not get any security updates
My question here is: If I download a firmware update fromSamMobile and decide to flash the one from Hong Kong or any other country, will it mess something up due to the fact it's not my country? I just want regular updates and seeing no update has arrived for this specific firmware of mine since July makes me think I will NEVER get anything and that honestly sucks.
Any help would be extremely appreciated!
budowski said:
Hello everyone!
I just got the Note 9, coming from an S7. So far I'm in love with it! Definitely the best phone I've ever had, however, I did notice one issue I'm not particularly comfortable with. If I check my software information I see the security patch level is from July 1st 2018. If I tap on software update it says the latest updates are already installed.
I was quite hyped about the One UI update, but seeing this I started to wonder If I'll ever get it via OTA, and most importantly that I will probably be stuck forever on this July patch and not get any security updates
My question here is: If I download a firmware update fromSamMobile and decide to flash the one from Hong Kong or any other country, will it mess something up due to the fact it's not my country? I just want regular updates and seeing no update has arrived for this specific firmware of mine since July makes me think I will NEVER get anything and that honestly sucks.
Any help would be extremely appreciated!
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WOW,that sounds like pre-release firmware..................
A few questions to get the ball rollin':
1) Which market/area are you using the phone?
2) Which carrier are you using/is this phone loaded-up with carrier-specific firmware out-of-the-box?
3) Are you able to use Samsung Pay/Google Pay/banking apps (if desired)?
4) Is the phone bootloader unlocked &/or rooted? If so,this usually kills most mfgs updates from being pushed to the phone & some tap-to-pay apps.
If you could provide a screen shot such as this (or the circled information) it may be of help to determine what's going on:
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As for will flashing another areas firmware somehow prevent future updates for being automatically pushed to the phone,I'm not certain.
The screenshot info I requested should give others here a better idea of what's going on w/your update situation.
If everything is 100% as it was shipped by Samsung (no other firmware flashed/no bootloader unlock/root),you're still likely better off by switching to a different areas firmware & updating manually if necessary.
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WOW,that sounds like pre-release firmware..................
A few questions to get the ball rollin':
1) Which market/area are you using the phone?
2) Which carrier are you using/is this phone loaded-up with carrier-specific firmware out-of-the-box?
3) Are you able to use Samsung Pay/Google Pay/banking apps (if desired)?
4) Is the phone bootloader unlocked &/or rooted? If so,this usually kills most mfgs updates from being pushed to the phone & some tap-to-pay apps.
If you could provide a screen shot such as this (or the circled information) it may be of help to determine what's going on:
As for will flashing another areas firmware somehow prevent future updates for being automatically pushed to the phone,I'm not certain.
The screenshot info I requested should give others here a better idea of what's going on w/your update situation.
If everything is 100% as it was shipped by Samsung (no other firmware flashed/no bootloader unlock/root),you're still likely better off by switching to a different areas firmware & updating manually if necessary.
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1. Costa Rica
2. To give you a little bit of information in Costa Rica it's illegal locking a phone to a specific carrier. You can buy it wherever you want and use the sim card of your preference. I just bought it there because it was cheaper. It's a two year plan with the carrier but again, if I want to use any carrier I can, as long as I keep paying them for the plan I'm using. Technically the phone is unlocked. It just has a ****ty preinstalled software on it and I want to get rid of it.
3. We don't have that here so it's not an issue for me, no worries there.
4. I haven't rooted my phone.
I attached the screenshot with the info you requested. Hopefully that can help you have a better understanding and others as well.
Thank you so much!
here you go: https://i.imgur.com/pckXU8q.jpg
budowski said:
1. Costa Rica
2. To give you a little bit of information in Costa Rica it's illegal locking a phone to a specific carrier. You can buy it wherever you want and use the sim card of your preference. I just bought it there because it was cheaper. It's a two year plan with the carrier but again, if I want to use any carrier I can, as long as I keep paying them for the plan I'm using. Technically the phone is unlocked. It just has a ****ty preinstalled software on it and I want to get rid of it.
3. We don't have that here so it's not an issue for me, no worries there.
4. I haven't rooted my phone.
I attached the screenshot with the info you requested. Hopefully that can help you have a better understanding and others as well.
Thank you so much!
Edit: Screenshot not working, here you go:
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Is the pre-installed software carrier-specific garb,such as we get in the US & if so,is it of the same market/SIM Card you're using?
If the firmware/software is carrier specific & you're using another SIM Card/service,that may explain why you're not getting timely updates (that was the case w/me on an AT&T phone on T-Mobile at one time,not sure if such restrictions/stumbling blocks still exist w/AT&T or other carriers).
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Is the pre-installed software carrier-specific garb,such as we get in the US & if so,is it of the same market/SIM Card you're using?
If the firmware/software is carrier specific & you're using another SIM Card/service,that may explain why you're not getting timely updates (that was the case w/me on an AT&T phone on T-Mobile at one time,not sure if such restrictions/stumbling blocks still exist w/AT&T or other carriers).
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I use the same SIM card from the carrier I bought it. This is the one I have installed on my phone, just found it on SM: https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-note9/SM-N9600/CRM/download/N9600ZHU1ARG6/232385/
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I use the same SIM card from the carrier I bought it. This is the one I have installed on my phone, just found it on SM: https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-note9/SM-N9600/CRM/download/N9600ZHU1ARG6/232385/
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If the phone is unadulterated (factory firmware,no b/l unlock-root) & you're using the service provider of the installed firmware,it sounds like it's in the carrier's hands & they're in no hurry to push updates.
You could flash a non-carreir firmware,but,that may result in loss of WI-FI Calling/VoLTE/VVM or other carrier-specific items that you want to keep.
I found this one for Costa Rica on SamMobile,not sure if it's carrier specific,or,a SIM-Free firmware:
https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-note9/SM-N9600/ICE/download/N9600ZHS1ARK2/247194/
It's quite a bit more current if you want to try it out,but,I'd make sure I have the factory firmware available to flash just in case there's something you don't like/etc.......
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If the phone is unadulterated (factory firmware,no b/l unlock-root) & you're using the service provider of the installed firmware,it sounds like it's in the carrier's hands & they're in no hurry to push updates.
You could flash a non-carreir firmware,but,that may result in loss of WI-FI Calling/VoLTE/VVM or other carrier-specific items that you want to keep.
I found this one for Costa Rica on SamMobile,not sure if it's carrier specific,or,a SIM-Free firmware:
https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-note9/SM-N9600/ICE/download/N9600ZHS1ARK2/247194/
It's quite a bit more current if you want to try it out,but,I'd make sure I have the factory firmware available to flash just in case there's something you don't like/etc.......
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I started downloading that same one before I created this post, however I was not quite sure if anything would happen. I'm asking because I saw a bunch of posts earlier about CSC's and that kind of stuff that confused me.
KOLIOSIS said:
If the phone is unadulterated (factory firmware,no b/l unlock-root) & you're using the service provider of the installed firmware,it sounds like it's in the carrier's hands & they're in no hurry to push updates.
You could flash a non-carreir firmware,but,that may result in loss of WI-FI Calling/VoLTE/VVM or other carrier-specific items that you want to keep.
I found this one for Costa Rica on SamMobile,not sure if it's carrier specific,or,a SIM-Free firmware:
https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-note9/SM-N9600/ICE/download/N9600ZHS1ARK2/247194/
It's quite a bit more current if you want to try it out,but,I'd make sure I have the factory firmware available to flash just in case there's something you don't like/etc.......
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I started downloading that same one before I created this post, however I was not quite sure if anything bad would happen. I'm asking because I saw a bunch of posts earlier about CSC's and that kind of stuff that confused me.
budowski said:
I started downloading that same one before I created this post, however I was not quite sure if anything bad would happen. I'm asking because I saw a bunch of posts earlier about CSC's and that kind of stuff that confused me.
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I'm not 100% sure on this,but,after doing a bit of digging,the firmware I posted appears to be specific to Kolbi
https://www.kolbi.cr/wps/portal/kolbi_dev/personas#/
So,that may be an option,but,then you're seemingly stuck w/their bloatware & possibly,lose some functionality of your current firmware.
The upside is a more current version/security update.
However,unless someone chimes in with a similar experience w/Costa Rican carrier firmwares,you're probably going to be the canary in the coal mine & have to flash other firmwares & find out if it's worth it to you to use another firmware.
SUX that you're left having to find out on your own,your situation w/July firmware is criminal & unfortunately,while an extreme example,is not a unique one.
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I'm not 100% sure on this,but,after doing a bit of digging,the firmware I posted appears to be specific to Kolbi
https://www.kolbi.cr/wps/portal/kolbi_dev/personas#/
So,that may be an option,but,then you're seemingly stuck w/their bloatware & possibly,lose some functionality of your current firmware.
The upside is a more current version/security update.
However,unless someone chimes in with a similar experience w/Costa Rican carrier firmwares,you're probably going to be the canary in the coal mine & have to flash other firmwares & find out if it's worth it to you to use another firmware.
SUX that you're left having to find out on your own,your situation w/July firmware is criminal & unfortunately,while an extreme example,is not a unique one.
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That may be a one specific to a different carrier in Costa Rica. There are three carriers here and Kolbi is one of them, not the one I have though. Do you have any idea what functionality could I lose, apart from WiFi calling and the stuff you mentioned previously?
I want to try a completely different one, maybe not even a one specific to Costa Rica. What I'm not sure is what would happen if I, for example decided to try a Hong Kong one which seemingly has faster updates. I don't know if flashing a completely different region software would mess up my phone.
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That may be a one specific to a different carrier in Costa Rica. There are three carriers here and Kolbi is one of them, not the one I have though. Do you have any idea what functionality could I lose, apart from WiFi calling and the stuff you mentioned previously?
I want to try a completely different one, maybe not even a one specific to Costa Rica. What I'm not sure is what would happen if I, for example decided to try a Hong Kong one which seemingly has faster updates. I don't know if flashing a completely different region software would mess up my phone.
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Wish I could be of help w/info regarding the WI-FI Calling/VoLTE/VVM with your carrier on another firmware,that varies from carrier to carrier as far as carrier-specific firmware & how the carriers handle it.
One way to try to glean some info regarding that would be to contact your carrier & ask if BYOD's have all of the functionality vs carrier-branded phones.
It's definitely a mixed bag here in the USA.
As long as you flash firmware for the SM-N9600 model,regardless of which region/carrier it's linked to,you should be OK with the basics (voice/messaging/data),the most you might have to do is check the APN to make sure you're getting the best service/what's specific to your service provider (should be automatic in SIM Free firmware,YMMV on carrier-specific firmware).
Knox will NOT be tripped w/official Samsung firmware,but,out-of-region firmware may render Samsung Pay/Google Pay useless.
Howdy, everyone. I picked up an Xperia 10 IV (model No. XQCC-72) and I’m having trouble with the WiFi.
My work uses WPA2 enterprise encryption, but doesn’t issue any kind of certificate.
Here’s my understanding of the situation:
As-of later builds of Android 11, Google disabled the ability to select “Do no validate” when connecting to these networks.
However, they implemented a replacement system called Trust on First Use (ToFU) that shipped with Android 13.
Well, my Xperia is on latest build of Android 13 that’s available; but ToFU isn’t an option. I can select to use system certificates, or to install a certificate of my choice, and that’s if.
ToFU works perfectly fine on an old Pixel 4a that’s running Android 13; so it’s definitely not a problem with the WiFi. Seems to be entirely limited to the Xperia
Does anyone have any suggestions? Or even confirmation if this is a bug limited to my device; rather than a conscious choice made by Sony to disable ToFU? The company phones where I work are iPhones, so there’s no chance of them updating the WiFi to work with Android’s more stringent security requirements anytime soon.
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Howdy, everyone. I picked up an Xperia 10 IV (model No. XQCC-72) and I’m having trouble with the WiFi.
My work uses WPA2 enterprise encryption, but doesn’t issue any kind of certificate.
Here’s my understanding of the situation:
As-of later builds of Android 11, Google disabled the ability to select “Do no validate” when connecting to these networks.
However, they implemented a replacement system called Trust on First Use (ToFU) that shipped with Android 13.
Well, my Xperia is on latest build of Android 13 that’s available; but ToFU isn’t an option. I can select to use system certificates, or to install a certificate of my choice, and that’s if.
ToFU works perfectly fine on an old Pixel 4a that’s running Android 13; so it’s definitely not a problem with the WiFi. Seems to be entirely limited to the Xperia
Does anyone have any suggestions? Or even confirmation if this is a bug limited to my device; rather than a conscious choice made by Sony to disable ToFU? The company phones where I work are iPhones, so there’s no chance of them updating the WiFi to work with Android’s more stringent security requirements anytime soon.
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Hello, i also have this problem
have you found a solution?
only solution i seemed to have found was using a custom rom
DrDrag0n said:
Hello, i also have this problem
have you found a solution?
only solution i seemed to have found was using a custom rom
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Nothing yet. I just installed a recently released update, and still no TOFU. I tweeted to the official Xperia twitter about implementing the feature, since there isn’t any kind of feedback hub.
I hope they activate it at some point. I’d like to get an Xperia 1 V as my next main phone, but not being able to connect to my workplace WiFi is a dealbreaker.
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Nothing yet. I just installed a recently released update, and still no TOFU. I tweeted to the official Xperia twitter about implementing the feature, since there isn’t any kind of feedback hub.
I hope they activate it at some point. I’d like to get an Xperia 1 V as my next main phone, but not being able to connect to my workplace WiFi is a dealbreaker.
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I have the 1 iii, it is an amazing phone. The 1 V will no doubt be incredible.
i have found using custom roms did make TOFU appear but Sony really should support this stock. Especially since android 13 should have it enabled by default
DrDrag0n said:
I have the 1 iii, it is an amazing phone. The 1 V will no doubt be incredible.
i have found using custom roms did make TOFU appear but Sony really should support this stock. Especially since android 13 should have it enabled by default
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I would use a custom ROM if I could, but as of yet there’s nothing for the 10 IV that I could find. And I’m not savvy enough to make my own.
Sony is one of the few, possibly only companies that make a phone with flagship specs, that also supports expandable storage and still has a headphone jack. But they just had to cripple it by leaving out a feature that’s baked into Android by default.
I don’t know if they left it out for some reason on purpose, or if it accidentally got disabled during development and nobody’s brought it to their attention yet.
I may never know.
MEGAS XLR said:
I would use a custom ROM if I could, but as of yet there’s nothing for the 10 IV that I could find. And I’m not savvy enough to make my own.
Sony is one of the few, possibly only companies that make a phone with flagship specs, that also supports expandable storage and still has a headphone jack. But they just had to cripple it by leaving out a feature that’s baked into Android by default.
I don’t know if they left it out for some reason on purpose, or if it accidentally got disabled during development and nobody’s brought it to their attention yet.
I may never know.
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Im going to tweet them as well and hope someone sees it. It should be enabled by default so there is potential that for security reasons in A11 and A12 they hard coded TOFU being disabled and forgot to add it back in
MEGAS XLR said:
I would use a custom ROM if I could, but as of yet there’s nothing for the 10 IV that I could find. And I’m not savvy enough to make my own.
Sony is one of the few, possibly only companies that make a phone with flagship specs, that also supports expandable storage and still has a headphone jack. But they just had to cripple it by leaving out a feature that’s baked into Android by default.
I don’t know if they left it out for some reason on purpose, or if it accidentally got disabled during development and nobody’s brought it to their attention yet.
I may never know.
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Have you tried https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/rom-unofficial-pdx225-13-lineage-20-for-sony-xperia-10iv.4562485/?
If you are not sure if your model is supported just ask in that forum also same in regards for TOFU.
sieghartRM said:
Have you tried https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/rom-unofficial-pdx225-13-lineage-20-for-sony-xperia-10iv.4562485/?
If you are not sure if your model is supported just ask in that forum also same in regards for TOFU.
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I can’t believe I missed the thread for that Lineage OS port. I sure feel like a dope.
I’ll give it a shot when I have some time to mess around, but that’ll probably fix it. I’m running Lineage OS on an old Pixel 3a, and TOFU works perfectly. So this is promising
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This is the reply from Sony. Some corporate copy-and-paste nonsense that isn’t even related to what I asked.
I looked through the unofficial LineageOS thread, and there seems to be some audio and camera bugs. Plus the ROM is distributed in a .bin format; which Windows really doesn’t want to work with and I don’t feel like digging out an old PC with Linux on it at the moment.
I think I actually did see that unofficial build of LineageOS before; but didn’t want to deal with the hassle that comes with an unofficial build for a fairly niche device.
I might just keep my eye on it for now but leave my Xperia as stock. Who knows, maybe we’ll get TOFU in a year when Sony puts out an update to Android 14.
It’s not a huge deal for me; I picked this thing up cheap on a whim. Both to gauge modern Sony phones (I haven’t used an Xperia since I got the very first model in the lineup, the Xperia X1, back in 2008) to see if I’d want to use one full time, and to eventually put Sailfish OS on it if Jolla decides to support it. My primary iPhone connects to improperly secured WPA2 networks, so it’s not the end of the world for me.
I do hope Sony eventually gets it together and fixes this problem. My iPhone is starting to show its age and I really like the design and feature set of the Xperia 1 series; but I can’t reasonably spend that kind of money on a phone that won’t even connect to the WiFi at work.