I I bought a tablet Amazon fire HD 8 and i would like to know if Fire-OS auto-update to the next version, or if it's like android, you need to buy a new tablet to get the latest version.
honxo said:
I I bought a tablet Amazon fire HD 8 and i would like to know if Fire-OS auto-update to the next version, or if it's like android, you need to buy a new tablet to get the latest version.
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- FireOS auto updates
- standard Android tables do too if supported by the manufacturer/carrier
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My wife has been talking about the Kindle Fire HD to be a Christmas present to our children. Now I'm a Google Nexus phone owner and enjoy the rooted and custom ROM's very much.
I'm comparing the KFHD and wonder if another Android device like the Google Nexus 7 wouldn't come with the same stuff as the KFHD and give me a more open system to fiddle with.
What are the main reasons for going after the KFHD over any other android tablet (considering the KFHD and Nexus 7 almost have the same price point)
Will things like Amazon Prime not work on android tablets? From the Prime web page I only see an iPad support but nothing generic like an android tablet.
I would appreciate any feedback or experience.
I do have an original kindle, but hardly use it anymore, since I can do the same stuff on my Thrive android tablet.
Thanks Jens
dnargsiefil said:
My wife has been talking about the Kindle Fire HD to be a Christmas present to our children. Now I'm a Google Nexus phone owner and enjoy the rooted and custom ROM's very much.
I'm comparing the KFHD and wonder if another Android device like the Google Nexus 7 wouldn't come with the same stuff as the KFHD and give me a more open system to fiddle with.
What are the main reasons for going after the KFHD over any other android tablet (considering the KFHD and Nexus 7 almost have the same price point)
Will things like Amazon Prime not work on android tablets? From the Prime web page I only see an iPad support but nothing generic like an android tablet.
I would appreciate any feedback or experience.
I do have an original kindle, but hardly use it anymore, since I can do the same stuff on my Thrive android tablet.
Thanks Jens
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Since the tablet is for a child the number one reason is kindle free time. It offers parental controls that no one else does. Google it and find out all the details but that would be the main attraction over the Nexus
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I don't think there's a need for yet another KFHD vs Nexus 7 thread. Try one of the existing ones below for a range of opinions...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1880492
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1911890
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1909334
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1920426
Please join one of those discussions. If those don't work for you, the Nexus 7 forum has plenty more with the bias slanted the other way.
I've done quite a bit of searching, both on Google and here on the forum and I haven't found an answer that applies to the 7-inch KFHD. I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 running on it, but it would be really nice to be able to have both JB and the stock Amazon OS installed and be able to switch between them. Is there any way to do this currently? I haven't found anything saying one way or the other. Does anyone else have any idea?
zoness32 said:
I've done quite a bit of searching, both on Google and here on the forum and I haven't found an answer that applies to the 7-inch KFHD. I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 running on it, but it would be really nice to be able to have both JB and the stock Amazon OS installed and be able to switch between them. Is there any way to do this currently? I haven't found anything saying one way or the other. Does anyone else have any idea?
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I don't think it's possible, not at this stage. Stock Amazon OS runs on Amazon's ecosystem, in that it is built to work only with Amazon services. This is why simply sideloading Google Play will make it fail miserably. Google's ecosystem requires the GoogleServicesFramework in order to run. There's no way to dual-boot because currently the 1st bootloader handles fastboot yet the 2nd handles the recovery. No one's ever made a 2nd-bootloader public before, and the work that was done by fattire, verygreen and Hashcode is the first. So while it's not completely impossible, I don't think it will come in the near future.
What about different roms?
seokhun said:
I don't think it's possible, not at this stage. Stock Amazon OS runs on Amazon's ecosystem, in that it is built to work only with Amazon services. This is why simply sideloading Google Play will make it fail miserably. Google's ecosystem requires the GoogleServicesFramework in order to run. There's no way to dual-boot because currently the 1st bootloader handles fastboot yet the 2nd handles the recovery. No one's ever made a 2nd-bootloader public before, and the work that was done by fattire, verygreen and Hashcode is the first. So while it's not completely impossible, I don't think it will come in the near future.
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I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 on my Kindle Fire HD 7" also, but what about dual booting it with another rom such as AOKP? Then it wouldnt need the amazon ecosystem.
TheLemonyOrange said:
I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 on my Kindle Fire HD 7" also, but what about dual booting it with another rom such as AOKP? Then it wouldnt need the amazon ecosystem.
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I'm also very interested in how you would dual boot CM10.1 and the original Kindle Fire HD 7" OS. I have read somewhere that for now, that's the only way you can use the Amazon apps (due to the above cited Amazon ecosystem). I have TWRP and the 2nd bootloader, but haven't found any threads on dual booting different ROMs.
Dual Booting?
Too bad.
I am running the N2A OS on my 7" KFHD. Mostly a satisfactory experience, but I would like to have the ability the read borrowed books from my Amazon Prime account on it, and also to play Amazon Prime videos. Unfortunately, Amazon has not seen fit to allows either of these to be done on an Android tablet, only on the Kindles (borrowed books) and Kindle Fire tablets.
I have not seen any indication that they are planning to change their policy with respect to these permissions - dual booting would be a great solution.
I have tried the workaround for the Amazon videos (installing Adobe Flash), but have found the results to be less then satisfactory.
Similarly, I tried rooting my Kindle Fire HD and installing Google Play, but found that I was getting repeating Google Framework has stopped messages, and another message as well.
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Follow this link if you can find any solution http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2551661
SafeStrap
Looks like hashcode had done it with safestrap, but it's no longer available for Kindle Fire.Link
Do you guys think this device would update to marshmallow or marshmallow based roms?
no
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midnight102 said:
Do you guys think this device would update to marshmallow or marshmallow based roms?
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Nope.
You can get some of the look of Marshmallow by loading the Nova launcher onto the Fire 7.
Root the Fire 7 with RootJunky's SuperTool and install the Nova launcher with one of the SuperTool options. One of the feature options of the Nova launcher is Marshmallow style icons. In Nova launcher go to Nova Settings, Look & feel, Icon theme, Marshmallow Android 6.0.
Don't fix what isn't broken. If you look through the latest history of custom v6 roms, they're rife with installation bugs and google apps barely works. Just stick with the latest CM 5, it works great with not much room for improvement for a casual user like me.
Maybe not Roms but FireOS 6 might be available to fire 7
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Brsuperboy9 said:
Maybe not Roms but FireOS 6 might be available to fire 7
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Might - but probably not. If/when Amazon updates FireOS to an Android 6/7 base there would be no business case to push out a major update to a huge number of older budget devices. Some of those upgrades are going to fail driving up support costs. To what end? Are Fire 7 owners suddenly going to start buying more stuff from Amazon because they got a shiny new version of FireOS?
Davey126 said:
Might - but probably not. If/when Amazon updates FireOS to an Android 6/7 base there would be no business case to push out a major update to a huge number of older budget devices. Some of those upgrades are going to fail driving up support costs. To what end? Are Fire 7 owners suddenly going to start buying more stuff from Amazon because they got a shiny new version of FireOS?
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Yeah but Amazon has done an update to the next major FireOS on a few tablets. An example are the fire HD 6\7 and Fire HDX 2014 updated to FireOS 5 so why not the Fire 7, Fire HDX 8\10 getting FireOS 6
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Brsuperboy9 said:
Yeah but Amazon has done an update to the next major FireOS on a few tablets. An example are the fire HD 6\7 and Fire HDX 2014 updated to FireOS 5 so why not the Fire 7, Fire HDX 8\10 getting FireOS 6
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Price points (margins) were higher on those examples, especially the 4th gen HDX. My sense is Amazon got burned updating those devices and won't make the same mistake. Again, what's to be gained from Amazon's perspective?
Davey126 said:
Price points (margins) were higher on those examples, especially the 4th gen HDX. My sense is Amazon got burned updating those devices and won't make the same mistake. Again, what's to be gained from Amazon's perspective?
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Is there a problem? It's just an update. And you're also assuming Amazon got burned. There are a lot of people wanting Marshmallow so why do you have to try to shut a lot of people down? Like I said its just an update, not supposed to raise sales on the 5th gens.
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Brsuperboy9 said:
Is there a problem? It's just an update. And you're also assuming Amazon got burned. There are a lot of people wanting Marshmallow so why do you have to try to shut a lot of people down? Like I said its just an update, not supposed to raise sales on the 5th gens.
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Offering a different perspective. Lots of problems updating HDX models from JB->KK->LP having worked with that community for quite awhile. That said, 5th gen Fire's have more robust recovery capabilities (can reload stock if an update goes bad; could not do that on HDX; effectively bricked) so perhaps the risk is lower.
Any successful company operates against a business plan of which customer 'wants' play into that equation with varying weights. In this case device sales are arguably loss leaders; what people do with the their Amazon appliances (buy stuff from Amazon!) is where the moneys at. Lollipop -> Marshmallow is not "just an update" when deployed across a large user base with varying configs. A non-functioning or misbehaving device doesn't generate clicks and sales.
If a Marshmallow based version of FireOS does come out I suspect Amazon will heavily modify some of the most desirable features to satisfy their business interests. Doze immediately comes to mind as Amazon apps tend to aggressively run in the background monitoring everything. Now-on-Tap, granular permissions, system tuner ... I don't think so. Adopted storage would be nice.
Davey126 said:
Offering a different perspective. Lots of problems updating HDX models from JB->KK->LP having worked with that community for quite awhile. That said, 5th gen Fire's have more robust recovery capabilities (can reload stock if an update goes bad; could not do that on HDX; effectively bricked) so perhaps the risk is lower.
Any successful company operates against a business plan of which customer 'wants' play into that equation with varying weights. In this case device sales are arguably loss leaders; what people do with the their Amazon appliances (buy stuff from Amazon!) is where the moneys at. Lollipop -> Marshmallow is not "just an update" when deployed across a large user base with varying configs. A non-functioning or misbehaving device doesn't generate clicks and sales.
If a Marshmallow based version of FireOS does come out I suspect Amazon will heavily modify some of the most desirable features to satisfy their business interests. Doze immediately comes to mind as Amazon apps tend to aggressively run in the background monitoring everything. Now-on-Tap, granular permissions, system tuner ... I don't think so. Adopted storage would be nice.
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Yay, but then the bootloder would admit marshmallow/nougat so cm13/14 would be possible if it could be rooted.
FireOS is **** in every version, but if it updates, it opens the door fot new custom roms.
tonibm19 said:
Yay, but then the bootloder would admit marshmallow/nougat so cm13/14 would be possible if it could be rooted.
FireOS is **** in every version, but if it updates, it opens the door fot new custom roms.
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Yep - with you there on custom ROMs. Nothing wrong with FireOS for the target audience and desired consumer behavior. Easy to use and presents Amazon's various stores front and center. No one would be complaining there was a different core OS under the covers.
Hi All,
I'm a newbie to this forum - I have some but limited experience upgrading firmware on mobile devices, but I have a problem I am trying to resolve which I cannot find an answer to, and I hoped somebody could lend their expertise (and sympathy!) to helping me out.
I have an old 2nd Generation (2012) Kindle Fire HD. I don't use it anymore and want to give it to my kids to entertain themselves when we are travelling/on holidays - I really like the simplicity of the Amazon Freetime App which is prompting me to want to stick with the Fire OS.
However, one app my kids use a lot when at home (UK) is the BBC iplayer app. On other phones and ipad, the iplayer gives you the ability to download BBC programmes for one month to view offline. However, it would appear that as of 1st September 2015, BBC stopped supporting this function on 2nd generation kindles and other devices running android 4.0:
(I can't post the link as I am a newbie so it is the first link that appears when you google the question "Why can't I download on Android 4.0 and Kindle Fire 2nd Generation?")
This renders the BBC iplayer app useless when there is no network connection in the UK (i.e. in the car), or abroad as you cannot stream BBC programmes when outside the UK.
What I am wondering is, is it possible to install a later version of the fire OS (i.e. fire OS 3.0) on the 2nd generation kindle? I assume you would need to root the kindle first before attempting to install the new OS, but I have no idea whether the device and OS are compatible. I've searched Google extensively, but cannot find an answer to this particular combination/problem.
Any advice would be truly appreciated.
Many thanks,
Rich
I was wondering if it was possible to install android on my Kindle Fire 7. I bought it on prime day because of the huge discount off the already cheap price.
mc_gamer_16 said:
I was wondering if it was possible to install android on my Kindle Fire 7. I bought it on prime day because of the huge discount off the already cheap price.
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This is the wrong Forum Section for this. You should look here https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire
BE VERY CAREFUL!!! New bootloaders on the "Amazon Fire 7" have caused people to end up bricking their device when trying to put the custom ROM on it. Read all the guides in the Q&A section and do not do anything until you are well informed. I think you may end up having to use something called FlashFire if your device has a rootable version of Android on it.