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I do not have a rooted phone, nor do I ever intend to root so please keep that in mind when responding. Thank you.
My question is this, if I disable every single 'contextual' thing that the Moto X does; for example: twisting wrist for camera, active display, motorola assist, touchless control, etc.
Will the low power processors still run, scanning for detection (sensor pings, accelerometer checks, microphone still listening) if everything is disabled?
Just trying to figure it out because say I wanted to disable everything to squeeze out some battery life, would I be doing it in vain or would it actually shut down those 2 extra processors (language processing/contextual processing) if I am not using any of the services?
I am by no means a phone genius, but I am a pretty smart computer nerd and don't know if anyone has insights about how the phone kernel actually handles this situation. All my research on this matter just finds the very bland and generalized description of the X8 and just what it does.
From my understanding of the X8 soc the 2 extra low power cores are always on. They were also designed to be as power efficient as possible. So disabling all of the apps it handles might not do much in way of power saving. However, if you were to disable all of the moto services I believe the 2 cores will still run but use up a lot less clock cycles since there wouldn't be anything for them to execute. But doing so will also make the moto x that much less of a phone. Its a nice experiment there's no harm in it. Most of the moto apps are allowed to be disabled. If no battery improvements then just revert everything you disabled.
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Well I disabled everything but active display and I can say I have seen a massive increase in battery life. So basically even if the processors are low powered they are still powered and taking battery. I'm going to disable active display tonight before charging and go thru a workday and give an update tomorrow. I suspect I will get another increase in battery life. As of now the increase was significant, I normally take my phone off the charger before I go to sleep at midnight, do a restart and check the battery at 8am. I normally have been losing 4% every single night with everything enabled. That's moto connect, Touch less control, active display. With them all disabled my battery stayed at 100% 2 nights in a row so far
I suppose it's all a matter of context. Compared to my Samsung GS3 (Verizon) I'm seeing MASSIVELY better battery life (>2X) without playing any tricks to modify the stock experience. Some if it may be from going from a CDMA base to GSM. With low radio signal CDMA seems to suck down the battery quickly. It always seems difficult to definitively figure out what is really causing high battery drain when it happens.
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Well I disabled everything but active display and I can say I have seen a massive increase in battery life. So basically even if the processors are low powered they are still powered and taking battery. I'm going to disable active display tonight before charging and go thru a workday and give an update tomorrow. I suspect I will get another increase in battery life. As of now the increase was significant, I normally take my phone off the charger before I go to sleep at midnight, do a restart and check the battery at 8am. I normally have been losing 4% every single night with everything enabled. That's moto connect, Touch less control, active display. With them all disabled my battery stayed at 100% 2 nights in a row so far
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Thanks for the update.
While you say that your battery has increased in standby time, has it increase in SOT?
Would you mind putting up screenshots of you're battery at 75% 50% 25% ?
Would you be able to make a list of all moto services you disabled while still maintaining the active display feature.
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Alright, been busy past few days. I will be posting screenshots with screen time starting now (unplugs phone from charger)
This is the list of EVERYTHING I have disabled, I am running un-rooted Moto X Motomaker edition on Verizon.
Disabled:
Active Display
Audio Effects
Caller Name ID
com.motorola.moodles
Device Management
Email
Google Pinyin Input
Google Play Books
Google Play Games
Google Play Magazines
Google Play Movies & TV
Google Play Music
Google+
Hangouts
HP Print Service Plugin
Mobile Hotspot
Moto Care
Motorola Assist
Motorola Checkin
Motorola Connect
Motorola Contextual Services
Motorola DriveActivator
Motorola ID
Motorola Migrate
Motorola SensorHub Updater
Motorola Skip Setup
NFL Mobile
Print Spooler
Sync Service
Touchless Control
Verizon Tones
Verizon Voicemail
VZ Navigator
So today I will been doing my best to take screen shots at 25% increments. If results look promising I will do a factory reset and run everything full stock everything enabled to make a comparison.
Also, I have no WiFi on EVER. I do not use location services either. Basically, my phone is never running anything in the background except vital system processes. Stay tuned for the pics, coming tonight around 11pm CST.
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Haven't been using phone so much, here is everything at 75% will be following up today with 50% and hopefully 25% pics
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OK for those of you following here is the update with 25%,battery life. After this I will re-enable everything Motorola on my phone and use the x8 mobile system to its fullest capabilities to have a side by side comparison of what exactly goes on as far as battery life is concerned when the 2 contextual cores are being utilized.
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mikeuresti said:
OK for those of you following here is the update with 25%,battery life. After this I will re-enable everything Motorola on my phone and use the x8 mobile system to its fullest capabilities to have a side by side comparison of what exactly goes on as far as battery life is concerned when the 2 contextual cores are being utilized.
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Thanks for the updates. While getting 27Hrs of usage is great but SOT is much more important. At 25% you have 2 1/2 hr SOT which I don't find that great, considering you lose so many features. I have always average 3 1/2 hrs SOT at 25% with all moto x features on and Google now without location reporting on and that's on LTE 90% of the time.
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Thanks for the updates. While getting 27Hrs of usage is great but SOT is much more important. At 25% you have 2 1/2 hr SOT which I don't find that great, considering you lose so many features. I have always average 3 1/2 hrs SOT at 25% with all moto x features on and Google now without location reporting on and that's on LTE 90% of the time.
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I am just curious, how the HECK do you manage to have 3 hours + of SOT at 25% with everything enabled? that blows me away. is your idle time very low? cause honestly my phone idles longer than its being used, i figure if i had my phone on using it nonstop i could pull off 3 hours with 25% battery, but i work alot and its off more than its on, possibly contributing to the lower SOT in my aspect.
ok, used my phone heavy today, these pics show amazing screen time with 60% battery. i really think disabling contextual services helps, i was using youtube and web browsing on 4g LTE heavily today and here are the results
anyone share their thoughts on this?
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I am just curious, how the HECK do you manage to have 3 hours + of SOT at 25% with everything enabled? that blows me away. is your idle time very low? cause honestly my phone idles longer than its being used, i figure if i had my phone on using it nonstop i could pull off 3 hours with 25% battery, but i work alot and its off more than its on, possibly contributing to the lower SOT in my aspect.
ok, used my phone heavy today, these pics show amazing screen time with 60% battery. i really think disabling contextual services helps, i was using youtube and web browsing on 4g LTE heavily today and here are the results
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I'll take pics tonight I don't usually let my phone run down that low. Except when I was trying to test my battery. For a while I wasn't getting good SOT or stand by times. One day android OS ran down my battery and I got pissed off so I sbf back to 4.2.2. Afterwards I let the ota hit the phone did a factory reset after 4.4. When I was setting up my phone I didn't restore anything from play store just did it manually and it has helped. No more high android OS usage.
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This is at 74% 1hr SOT with Google now and moto services running. And I took a shot of running apps to show that all moto services are running.
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Thanks a lot mawells! I am pretty much concluding that the difference is so negligible that the battery gains do not out-weigh the features you are missing.
I also noticed that you are using backup assistant plus? its an annoying little bugger of an app, have you any way to disable/remove that feature? i am stuck with verizon and i cant seem to stop backup assistant plus from running.
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Thanks a lot mawells! I am pretty much concluding that the difference is so negligible that the battery gains do not out-weigh the features you are missing.
I also noticed that you are using backup assistant plus? its an annoying little bugger of an app, have you any way to disable/remove that feature? i am stuck with verizon and i cant seem to stop backup assistant plus from running.
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No there's no way to disable it I hate it myself. If you are rooted you can freeze it through titanium backup. But as long as its not syncing its not really doing much.
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Purchased a Moto X for my wife as her first smart phone. She loves it, but even I (currently own a note 3) am blown away by it.
Amazing features, just to small for me and the camera leaves a lot to be desired (compared to my N3)
My question is... I notice that the Android OS seems to be taking up a lot of battery.
More than the screen which is very odd. I did get her 4 hours of screen on time with 16 hours of usage which I wouid say is pretty good, but have android os staying awake for about 2 hours seemed excessive.
Is this bc of the active notification? I factory reset the phone and still notice the Android os high in usage.
Now I don't think she's having bad battery life per say, just want to know of that is normal.
Phone is us gsm unlocked xt1053 on T-Mobile.
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It's normal. Alot of owners and forum members have noticed this. I have not seen a reason posted here as to why this is. The phone has great battery life so I don't worry about it.
Android OS is made up of services provided to apps, like location services, location reporting, syncing, Google now services...etc. the more things you turn off, the less android OS will be. At the end of a full discharge my android os is usually about 6 percent. But I have most things off. I don't sync things without them being opened first, location services are off, gnow is off...etc. I need great battery life, I'm sometimes away from charging possibilities for 14 hours or more at work and can use my phone a lot sometimes.
Some people don't want to shut stuff off, and so their battery times are more like yours, or worse. Your times seem quite normal if stuff is running.
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I recently received a Moto X 2014 Pure Edition 32GB. I upgraded from a Moto X 2013 Developer Edition 32GB. Attached is a screenshot of battery so far today. For some reason, cell standby is always draining more than anything, even screen. Yesterday it drained 50% of my battery, however I was unable to take a screenshot before it died. I tried clearing the system cache today and turning off cellular data, to no avail. I don't have a data plan at all but need mobile data on for MMS. I am on Lollipop 5.0. I really need to know if there's any fixes on this issue yet, as it seems to be a major problem. I have scoured the internet looking for an answer and have found nothing pertaining to fixes I haven't already attempted. I just really want to experience the battery life on my new phone to it's full potential. Thanks ahead of time for the help.
SOLUTION: Update Google Play Services to version 7.3.x: LINK
I'm having similar things show up on my Moto X as well. I'm also having google play services up near the top. Was your cell signal weak perhaps? Maybe switching to 3g instead of LTE if you have LTE set as preferred.
I was only without a signal for 4% of the time. I will try changing to 3G and reporting back although I have perfect LTE in my area.
Well, after some time, the 3G vs LTE seems to have possibly helped. I downloaded GSam to try to narrow down the cause. Phone Radio is only 5% of my battery while Screen is 28%. Apps and misc are the rest of it. I think it may just be a glitch in the way Lollipop calculates battery, although I still would like a solution for it.
Check the android os stats also. It may be the one causing the most drain because its keeping awake in the background. From what I understand cell standby stat shows up when you aren't using the phone at all for some time (standby).
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Android OS has been awake for 2 hours and the phone has been awake for 6.5 hours.
Here's my stats so far. So I unplugged the phone from the charger 1 am last night. I woke up this morning with 98% battery. So I only lost 2% overnight.
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Android OS has been awake for 2 hours and the phone has been awake for 6.5 hours.
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Android os is the culprit in your case. 2 hrs is pretty long. Maybe and app is causing the wakelock along with it. Does your phone get warm at all? My phone does feel slightly warmer once I noticed android os is keeping my device awake for some time. So I usually reboot the phone to stop the wake lock and charge the phone back up.
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My phone doesn't get warm at all. The other night I left my phone unplugged at 40% and set an alarm for 7 hours later. I woke up and my phone was dead. Thankfully my girlfriend set her alarm too or I would have woken up late. I'm scared to leave my phone unplugged overnight again for that exact reason. My standby time is awful. I can leave it in my pocket for an hour and it will drain 10%. Is this Lollipop or no? I wouldn't know because I received the phone with Lollipop. Set it up skipping all the Google account stuff just to check for updates, and then wiped again. So I've done one factory reset so far, one cache partition clear, turned off mobile data (and back on after no change), changed from LTE to 3G, and gone through lots of full charge cycles. I still don't know what the problem is...Is the device faulty? I did just receive this phone as a replacement for my faulty Moto X 2013 (battery was bad). Please don't tell me thats the case for this as well.
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My phone doesn't get warm at all. The other night I left my phone unplugged at 40% and set an alarm for 7 hours later. I woke up and my phone was dead. Thankfully my girlfriend set her alarm too or I would have woken up late. I'm scared to leave my phone unplugged overnight again for that exact reason. My standby time is awful. I can leave it in my pocket for an hour and it will drain 10%. Is this Lollipop or no? I wouldn't know because I received the phone with Lollipop. Set it up skipping all the Google account stuff just to check for updates, and then wiped again. So I've done one factory reset so far, one cache partition clear, turned off mobile data (and back on after no change), changed from LTE to 3G, and gone through lots of full charge cycles. I still don't know what the problem is...Is the device faulty? I did just receive this phone as a replacement for my faulty Moto X 2013 (battery was bad). Please don't tell me thats the case for this as well.
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Which variant is it? I have the at&t one and unlocked it to use for my local carrier and works perfectly. I guess you will have more battery drain if the signal in your area isn't great. Also a rogue app might be running in the background draining your battery. I would also suggest disabling features of the moto x that you aren't using. I only keep the moto display on. Disable the bloatware apps that came with the phone from the carrier.
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I have the 32GB Pure Edition. I'm using it with GoPhone. I don't have a data plan. The only apps I've downloaded are Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, and a lot of Google apps (Keep, Wallet, etc). I have disabled the features I don't need. Is 40% drain overnight extreme even with a lot of bloat?
I am having the same issue with Moto x pure edition running 5.1, insane amounts of drain while the phone is idle. about 10% an hour. I'm hoping someone finds a solution
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I have the 32GB Pure Edition. I'm using it with GoPhone. I don't have a data plan. The only apps I've downloaded are Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, and a lot of Google apps (Keep, Wallet, etc). I have disabled the features I don't need. Is 40% drain overnight extreme even with a lot of bloat?
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Something might be wrong with 40% drain. Your WiFi was on overnight as well along with account syncing? I usually turn off my WiFi before I sleep and get like at most 5% drain overnight
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They were. That might be it. I'll try to turn them off next time and see how that goes.
Root and greenify has worked pretty well for me.
You shouldn't see 40% no. That's way too high, even with data on.
My BT and WiFi are on all the time and maybe through a 7 hour sleep, I'll drop maybe 2% to 5%. I'm concerned there may be a rogue app, I have disabled a lot of system things and google apps and have really cut my usage down. And I'm using the moto display and moto voice thing.
Very strange its that high.
Switching from LTE to 3G seems to have helped more than anything else I tried. Actually lasted through the whole day yesterday.
I've been seeing the same thing over the past two weeks or so. Lots of wake time under Android OS. Not sure what's going on.
This is the kind of crap I'm talking about. Its extremely frustrating.
Even here. Screen usage was only 1:42...that's awful.
I recently picked up a Moto G 2014 for a family member since it was on sale and I'm having a bit of trouble, at least I think I am. This person hardly uses the phone, doesn't make calls every day but putters around on it, listens to music occasionally. Real basic use stuff. The battery only seems to last a day. In trying to diagnose/troubleshoot it without rooting or voiding warranty, it seems like it's draining excessively. Just sitting with all the apps closed on the home screen, it's burning up about 180-210 mA according to Ampere. Now, my LG G2 reliably uses 30mA on the home screen without apps running. Apples & oranges, I know but shouldn't the value on the Moto G be lower? Does anyone else use Ampere and have similar readings? With the little use this phone sees, I'd imagine people that use it regularly have to charge multiple times a day to keep the phone alive and I can't see the Motorola engineers doing that. I've tried closing and disabling apps that aren't used and there doesn't seem to be much that goes on. So I'm not sure if this is normal or if something's wrong. I have done all the OTA updates and also tried a factory reset, it made no difference. I'm tempted to root & install the official CM but if there's something wrong with the phone, I want to get it fixed through Motorola first.
Any ideas for this Moto newbie? Thanks in advance.
Here's some screenshots of the battery stats in case anyone's curious:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/464376/phone/moto/Screenshot_2015-11-22-11-33-48.png
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/464376/phone/moto/Screenshot_2015-11-22-11-33-55.png
I'm getting 160-170 mA after clearing all the recent apps with CM 12.1. But battery life is not bad at all. About 1 day with 5+hours of SoT or 2-3days with 3+ hours of SoT. So I don't really care.
Ps.: I don't think that 30mA is enough for phone to run with screen ON. Maybe in sleep mode.. 30mA is way too small value. I also found an article about power consumption of smartphones: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1212.1896.pdf
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I'm getting 160-170 mA after clearing all the recent apps with CM 12.1. But battery life is not bad at all. About 1 day with 5+hours of SoT or 2-3days with 3+ hours of SoT. So I don't really care.
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That sounds significantly better than what my Moto G is getting. I doubt the phone sees 2 hours of SoT in a day but the battery barely lasts a day. I'm hoping it's just hoggy apps and that CM will clean things up.
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Ps.: I don't think that 30mA is enough for phone to run with screen ON. Maybe in sleep mode.. 30mA is way too small value. I also found an article about power consumption of smartphones: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1212.1896.pdf
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I think you're right actually. Looking at the Ampere stats, it shows 30mA as the max draw, even after opening several apps and running. I thought this seemed right for idle but it's always stuck there under load.
Actually I had a similar problem with my Moto G on stock. Did you use GPS? Because when I turn on and off gps on my phone it remains ON and drains my battery pretty fast, until I restart my phone. So whenever I use GPS I have to turn it off in settings and restart my phone in order to turn it off.
OK so if u really want a decent battery life. Just turn of sync, location and keep scanning In advanced WiFi settings.
Since its showing Google services as culprit, turning sync off would probably solve the issue.
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I'm having serious battery issues that just started out of nowhere. I'm currently only getting about 4 hours of light use before having to recharge.
I'd like to look at what apps are using the battery but there are only 5 apps listed and they add up to only 27% (the highest is screen at 12%).
Phone is not rooted and I haven't loaded any new apps recently.
I noticed this as well. I used to use Better Battery Stats when I was rooted, so I didn't know if it was normal to act this way or not. Sounds like it isn't.
Currently having the same issue. Seems like my battery started tanking right around Christmas. I got a Huawei watch and originally suspected that but turning it off and leaving it home for a day didn't seem to help. The battery stats on the S6 are garbage and I can't track down what is going on.
Been noticing the same issue on my G920A. I tried doing a cache clear, but that doesn't seem to have helped. I went through all the running apps and services to try and find anything that could be eating the battery, but nothing seems to be reported that adds up to the amount that's getting eaten.
I use greenify for handling the hibernation of apps when they don't seem to act right by themselves, but since the phone isn't rooted, I have to manually run this operation - and that really doesn't help much anyway. Figured I'd add my experience to this thread just as a means of documenting the situation.