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So my only complaint so far is the screen sensativity.
I know this doesnt use a capacitive screen, so it needs physical pressure, but it seems to me the glass on the top of the screen makes it need alot more pressure than i'm used to. The middle of the screen seems to be more sensative, and the outside less sensative.
You can test this by putting your finger down on HOME in touchflo, then scrolling to programs and back again. If you pres hard, it will go back and forth. If you use less pressure at home and programs it will load the programs or home screen, as if you released your finger.
So i know there's two reg keys for this:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\TouchPanel
By doing a screen slignment and pressing hard with the stylus i get a lower value here, and by pressing lightly i get a higher value here.
So high value = detects lighter press, low value - needs harder press
HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings\fingurepressure
This i'm confused about. I tried setting it to 0, 2, 14, 200, 255, 600, and there's not noticable difference as far as i can see.
Is there some sort of program that can read the the pressure from the screen and display it? This would help make the tests alot more scientific!
Someone posted this tip in the tips and tweaks thread above...maybe useful to you??
One tip for changing the sensitivity if you don't want to mess around in the registry:
- run the Align Screen setting (under Settings/System/ Screen)
- when you press on the 'targets' with the stylus, use VERY light pressure...just enough that the tap is accepted
- I usually tap a few times on each target, starting too lightly, and then gradually increasing the pressure until the tap is taken
- do this for each of the 5 targets
I found this seems to make the Diamond calibrate a higher sensitivity for its touch-screen, so finger touches can be much lighter.
This is probably a safer way to change the sensitivity, as you don't risk putting an invalid number into the registry.
Thanks, i already tried that.
Can someone tell me their value for this key?
HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings\fingurepressure
Screen sensitivty
Spawn12 said:
Someone posted this tip in the tips and tweaks thread above...maybe useful to you??
One tip for changing the sensitivity if you don't want to mess around in the registry:
- run the Align Screen setting (under Settings/System/ Screen)
- when you press on the 'targets' with the stylus, use VERY light pressure...just enough that the tap is accepted
- I usually tap a few times on each target, starting too lightly, and then gradually increasing the pressure until the tap is taken
- do this for each of the 5 targets
I found this seems to make the Diamond calibrate a higher sensitivity for its touch-screen, so finger touches can be much lighter.
This is probably a safer way to change the sensitivity, as you don't risk putting an invalid number into the registry.
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Tried that, and its really works. Thank a lots.
someone1234 said:
Thanks, i already tried that.
Can someone tell me their value for this key?
HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings\fingurepressure
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the value is 19 in uk device rom.
vijayvasa said:
the value is 19 in uk device rom.
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19 decimal?
I've just about had enough of this touchflo.. pretty but soooo anoying to use
Today on about 3 ocasions i was navigating through it and got a call.. the lights on the touch wheel were flashing and it was playing the ringtone, but the whole phone was frozen for about 4 seconds. Eventually the call popped up and i was able to answer!
I think i'm going to diable it and do my best to make the rest pretty.
You just have to be patient...the roms are not mature yet...
In 3 months you'll see that Diamond will be the best phone out there
I also am trying to find out the best way to configure the finger sensitivity.
HastaSSSS
s1rl4ncel0t said:
In 3 months you'll see that Diamond will be the best phone out there
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yeah but 3 months is a long time... i have to do something to stop myself smashing the phone on the floor on frustration!
for now i'm going to disable touch flow, and i'll come back to it when a new rom comes out.
Have you tried the new rom 1.37.XXX ?
Bye
I have a UK diamond.. so it came with 1.37.405.1
I've just done the "light tap" trick, and now it's perfect...
Could it be that you have a defective device?
Bye
Its better with that 'trick' but still anoying. I have a feeling i'm just too used to a capacitive screen.
The wierd thing is with the light tap the key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\TouchPanel ends up back to 30 to 50 decimal.
i only bought it today yet im seriously thinking of taking it back. The iPhone is just the better product, and always will be, unless Microsoft and the software developers get as passionate as those at apple.
Its Laggy
Its un-intuative
The touch screen isnt as sensitive as it should be. (why are they still using resistive touchscreens)
And the opera browser isnt all that either, it doesnt redraw quick enough for the full page display thing to really be all that impressive on zoom in/out and leaves chessboard squared at it struggles and chuggs to redraw.. . .not great, not when the comptetition is as good as it is. . . . .im thinking 3G Iphone, ****ty camera or not.
Loose the 6.1 and stop trying to polish that turd with TouchFlo's. Yeah good effort, but it just aint good enough
J
WM is just a huge resource hog. The touchflo is slow because its a plugin for the today screen, which then calls on windows API's to draw onto the screen.
Its such a long long way round to get to the hardware that its just slow no matter how well u code.
I just hope someone ports android to the diamond, because the hardware is amazing, the OS is a pile of ****!
BTW they use resistive touchscreens to have increased touch resolution. Also a stylus wouldnt work with a capacitive screen.
I prefer to work with resistive LCD than capacitive...
The capacitive have better sensibility, but are less precise...
Although the Diamond LCD is not as sensitive as a capacitive, it's sensitive enough to work well with the fingers...
It's just a matter of tweaking.
HastaSSSS
Resistive screens use a grid of conductive material, sandwitched between the glass and a conductive layer. They alternatly pass an electrical current on each line of the grid along the x and y axis. When you press the screen you touch this grid onto the conductive layer and the current passes through it, which is detected. You can make resistive screen that have a very high resolution of detection, and the resolution is always what you design it to be.
Resistive screens are pressure sensative, and by design can't handle multi-touch.
Capacitive screens use glass coated with a conductive coating. The edges of the screen are connected to conducters. Each conducter has a different frequency oscilator connected.
The capacitance of a human finger changes the impedance of the screen, and so changes the frequency of the oscillator circuit. This gets converted to distance from each oscillator and so a co-ordinate.
The resolution is limited by how acuratly you can detect changes.
Typically in electronics very small changes are hard to measure because they are indistiguishable from noise.
Capacitive screens can handle multi-touch, but the resolution of each touch is decreased in that case.
Capacitive screen resolution is not absolute and can change with increased noise in the system, or by multiple capapcitive effects on the screen - like multiple touches.
When I first ordered my tilt, immediately after I had the fear that the screen would be like most other PDA screens - they get "depressed" when you push them in, they feel plasticy, and they go "weird" when you press on them even slightly hard. To my dismay, the phone WAS like this! A perfect example of a good screen would be the fuze, iPhone, and the at&t quickfire. The screens feel solid, and glassy. Why doesn't the Kaiser have this?
Good Question. Id suggest writing HTC Please let us know what they say
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When I first ordered my tilt, immediately after I had the fear that the screen would be like most other PDA screens - they get "depressed" when you push them in, they feel plasticy, and they go "weird" when you press on them even slightly hard. To my dismay, the phone WAS like this! A perfect example of a good screen would be the fuze, iPhone, and the at&t quickfire. The screens feel solid, and glassy. Why doesn't the Kaiser have this?
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Simple. Don't do that. There's zero problem with the Tilt screen otherwise. Light touches, moderate touches, swipes, finger, stylus, all are fine. Of course this is referring to the digitizer. What you're referring to could be a mix of both I suppose.
I don't *poke* LCDs, it's just a bad idea.
Roflcopterrr said:
Why doesn't the Kaiser have this?
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Digitizers like the one used on the Kaiser work by having a soft layer that when touched will warp and touch a 2nd layer slightly below it, which will sense the touch and allow finding the coordinates.
The newer screens like on the iphone use another touch sensing process, but those are very new (the iphone was the first portable device to use one AFAIK), and are only becoming widespread in the current generation - i.e. the one AFTER the Kaiser.
Simple. Don't do that. There's zero problem with the Tilt screen otherwise. Light touches, moderate touches, swipes, finger, stylus, all are fine.
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He means that even with the stylus or barely touching with the finger the digitizer will slightly "deform", which you can easily see if watching a reflection on the screen and touching it, and the related softness. It's normal and he isn't abusing it.
My S Pen doesn't seem very accurate. When I touch the screen with it, it is off by a couple of millimeters. This is very annoying when drawing.
Is there a way to calibrate the screen/pen or something?
ltrulsse said:
My S Pen doesn't seem very accurate. When I touch the screen with it, it is off by a couple of millimeters. This is very annoying when drawing.
Is there a way to calibrate the screen/pen or something?
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Well, that "problem" it isn't that. They need to do that because they want you to see the line that are you drawing.
If you enter in to the options of the drawing pen and change to left handed, you will see how that millimeters move to the other side of the pen. So, 1 2 up and 1 or 2mm left/right are necessary and it is how the wacom screens works. In other side I have tried a lot of wacom devices and this is one of the most accurate.
The only problem that I see it is the pen that if you don't give enough pressure it doesn't works, and if you give much, then it will writes in "bold" rather than skinny lines.
Try to move the pen without pressing it, only light slide and see how it doesn't do anything.
Other funny thing on the wacom devices is that the accuracy is not the same in the center of the screen and in the side of it. Problems of magnetism
Did you try pen pressure with autodesk sketchbook, is it working ?
Hi
Just a quick question for you who have the phone and use the pen. When you use your pen for drawing, what happens when your hand (which you hold the pen with) touches the screen? It must be annoying always to write without touching the screen with the hand/fingers like you would do if you were to write with an ordinary pen on a classic paper.
drelle said:
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Just a quick question for you who have the phone and use the pen. When you use your pen for drawing, what happens when your hand (which you hold the pen with) touches the screen? It must be annoying always to write without touching the screen with the hand/fingers like you would do if you were to write with an ordinary pen on a classic paper.
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The good thing is that u can touch the screen with finger when u write, unlike pure capacitive screen
If u touch the note with finger u will get a mark, ie u can use ur finger to write on the note
If u touch the area of screen above the note, the note app disappears to show the app beneath it and when u remove the finger the note comes back. This is to jot down things from the app beneath it. Hope this makes sense.
ltrulsse said:
My S Pen doesn't seem very accurate. When I touch the screen with it, it is off by a couple of millimeters. This is very annoying when drawing.
Is there a way to calibrate the screen/pen or something?
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I'm curious, are you left handed?
There is a setting: settings -> pen settings -> dominant hand.
I changed mine to left handed (which I am), and when my right handed friend used it, he complained that it was off by a millimeter or too to the right.
- Frank
drelle said:
Hi
Just a quick question for you who have the phone and use the pen. When you use your pen for drawing, what happens when your hand (which you hold the pen with) touches the screen? It must be annoying always to write without touching the screen with the hand/fingers like you would do if you were to write with an ordinary pen on a classic paper.
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Thats not an issue as when the pen is touching (so it's active), the screen will no longer accept any additional touches. So with your fingers, multi touch will be active for upto 10 (I believe) seperate touches at once, but as soon as the pen is touching the screen, it will only pick up the pen and no additional touches from your fingers etc so you can rest your fingers on the screen while you are writing.
Thanks for the explanation that makes sense nevertheless the offset is annoying and difficult to get used to.
Try this. It works for me.
http://jjpda.blogspot.com/2012/01/how-to-calibrate-galaxy-note-s-pen.html
try turn on the auto rotation
Or turn off auto rotation
Just try...
Actually all this is nonsense.
The offset is variable and depends on the angle of the pen.
The most simple way to test this and to get used to it, is to open
a S-memo. Then instead of using the line option you choose the
eraser option. Touch the screen and on the screen you see a circle.
Now with the pen on the screen change the angle of the pen and you will see
the tip of the pen 'move' inside the circle. Now get used to the angle of the pen
where the tip is in the center of the circle. Once you are used to this angle your pen will be dead on when drawing.
Remember way back when you learned how to write, it took you days to get used to holding a pen or pencil the right way.
I can recommend the official samsung s-pen holder for a much nicer feeling when using the pen.
Hope this helps
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Thats not an issue as when the pen is touching (so it's active), the screen will no longer accept any additional touches. So with your fingers, multi touch will be active for upto 10 (I believe) seperate touches at once, but as soon as the pen is touching the screen, it will only pick up the pen and no additional touches from your fingers etc so you can rest your fingers on the screen while you are writing.
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I just want to clarify thhis, the pen needs to be touching and in writing pressure on the screen for it to stop accepting input from your skin.
friedje said:
Actually all this is nonsense.
The offset is variable and depends on the angle of the pen.
The most simple way to test this and to get used to it, is to open
a S-memo. Then instead of using the line option you choose the
eraser option. Touch the screen and on the screen you see a circle.
Now with the pen on the screen change the angle of the pen and you will see
the tip of the pen 'move' inside the circle. Now get used to the angle of the pen
where the tip is in the center of the circle. Once you are used to this angle your pen will be dead on when drawing.
Remember way back when you learned how to write, it took you days to get used to holding a pen or pencil the right way.
I can recommend the official samsung s-pen holder for a much nicer feeling when using the pen.
Hope this helps
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Go to photo editor choose a bright picture choose the pen option from photo editor hold the phone on portrait mode and try to draw on the edge with a smaller tip on the pen then go switch dominated hand on spen and try again and then come back and say this isn't a devs calibration problem or coding or call it how you want. But give attention to
PHOTO EDITOR
PEN OPTION
PORTRAIT MODE
RIGHT HAND DOMINATED > RIGHT SIDE
LEFT HAND DOMINATED > LEFT SIDE
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This idea that we need to see where we are writing is just as imbecilic as Motorola's idea of protecting users from rain drops. Back then, it stoped you from playing any games that required you to keep your finger stationary for more than 15 seconds. Here, it makes drawing and writing very difficult.
I don't ****ing see where I'm writing when I'm using a paper, why would I need that on my phone's screen?
I have also problems using my spen. Is it realy normal to put quite much pressure on the pen to write sth.? It's realy hart to dram thin lines without any interruption of the line..... feels as if that'S not "normal"
how about yours? Is that normal?
I don't know if this will help, but my s-pen was off a few millimeters too after an official update. I tried calibrating the accelerometer and gyro and the s-pen became accurate again. I'm not sure though if this indeed did the trick or if my mind was just playing tricks on me.
Thanks, I'll try that, too. But my Problem primarily is not the millimetres off, it's the pressure needed to draw sth.
I also wrote Samsung's support yesterday. I'll see what they say.
I won't flash my phone before I can be sure that it's okay and I don't have to return it.....
Matrox182 said:
Thanks, I'll try that, too. But my Problem primarily is not the millimetres off, it's the pressure needed to draw sth.
I also wrote Samsung's support yesterday. I'll see what they say.
I won't flash my phone before I can be sure that it's okay and I don't have to return it.....
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iam having the exact same problem..please tell me if you find a solution.
it didnt happen with the pen which came with phone..it had the millimeters away problem..and when i lost i ordered new pen this new pen has more pressure problem..its very hard to draw thin lines
friedje said:
Actually all this is nonsense.
The offset is variable and depends on the angle of the pen.
The most simple way to test this and to get used to it, is to open
a S-memo. Then instead of using the line option you choose the
eraser option. Touch the screen and on the screen you see a circle.
Now with the pen on the screen change the angle of the pen and you will see
the tip of the pen 'move' inside the circle. Now get used to the angle of the pen
where the tip is in the center of the circle. Once you are used to this angle your pen will be dead on when drawing.
Remember way back when you learned how to write, it took you days to get used to holding a pen or pencil the right way.
I can recommend the official samsung s-pen holder for a much nicer feeling when using the pen.
Hope this helps
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This is absolutely correct... the stylus orientation definitely does affect the point offset.
The problem is (at least on mine) is that the "left-handed" setting appears to do nothing. The point offset is the same regardless of the setting (it's biased for right handed), so trying to write left handed is very hard.
How many people that are having the problem are 'lefties'? If I pretend to be right handed, the offset is perfect (regardless of the left or right setting). This has to be a bug and I'll presume it'll get fixed soon. Because it's really quite intolerable as a leftie.
Today I upgraded my phone to Criskos rom with Abyss kernel and all accuracy problems are gone for me.Never had problem with pressure.
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Hi guys
I just got an second-hand note and i'm wondering, is my s-pen broken?
I know that it registers multiple levels of pressure, but i can't seem to figure it out.
I know the note app makes a thicker line when u press harder, but i can't seem to get it to work.
Also, i cant "feel" the tip going "up" a little bit. I can imagine for diferent levels of pressure the tip moves a bit up and down, but i cant feel it. It feels like it is stuck.
Is it broken or is it supposed to do this?
I mis-click sometimes (i clearly touch the screen but it doesn't register) and the "sync" is way of, like 2 mm to to the top and left.
Any ideas?
Thanx!
Check with another pen.
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my spen is fine and i dont find the tip moving at all. it works just fine.. on the snote app try with a brush instead of pen.. that should a better picture of pressure sensitivity
Hmm i tried it but it goes from thick to not registering the stylus (as it is clearly on the screen)
Do u guys get feedback when u let ur pen "fall" on the screen? with this i mean it is bouncing on the screen, with only its own weigt. I can go as high as i want but when it touches my screen i wont get feedback. I need to press it myself, on top of the weight of the pen.
Also the position is off. Any way to calibrate this? Or is it my pen? And if it is the software, wil flashing a new rom fix it?
i dont know about any feedback..
i have read and seen some apps that can calibrate the spen by just changing the spen settings dominant hand to left then to right,
In papyrus the line should get thinner when less pressure is given.
so i finaly figured it out. in papyrus, it is clearly noticable that when i press harder i get a thicker line.
What i do notice about the allignment is that when it is on righthand mode the cursor is off somewhat to the up-left side, and on lefthand mode it is to the up-right side. I found that this is because it thinks i want to hold the pen with an angle. If i do that (as i just found out) it alligns just fine. But i want to be able to use it 90 degrees from my screen, straight. Is there any way i can fix this? Because i think the screen is reporting the right position only the left- or righthand mode is correcting it.
i think its made to use it in an angle.. that why the hovering icon aligns just right at a slant
My stylus is registering the pressure input plus it wont go thicker than the ppont u selected. The thickness is only apparent when u use a thick bruah. So check it again.
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Fixed
Got a new s-pen, "problems" still exists, so i think its just how s-pen works, not exactly as i want it but will do fine.
Thanx everyone
My S-Pen is over sensitive. It activates when it's very close to the screen or when I barely touch the screen briefly. Very annoying. I have a tempered glass screen protector but still it's over sensitive. I have seen many solutions to increase sensitivity, but not to decrease it. Is there solution for this?
Did you increase the sensitivity because of the screen protector? Is is better, for spen at least, if the sensitivity is on default setting?
Define, "activates." What does it do?
With default settings, and a glass screen protector, my phone recognizes the S Pen when it is within 12mm - about 1/2 inch - from the screen. That's when the little circle appears, and the Air Command button highlights (for example). I rather think it's supposed to work like that. You shouldn't need to touch the pen to the screen or apps like Glance wouldn't work.
The s-pen detects pressure by sensing how hard the nib is pressed, thus the phone can recognise by determining where the pen is on the screen and the pressure exerted (you can test this by pressing the nib with your finger, and hover your s-pen on something you want to click)
You could try removing the nib and re-inserting it back, if that helps
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Did you increase the sensitivity because of the screen protector? Is is better, for spen at least, if the sensitivity is on default setting?
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No, the Touch Sensitivity is turned off in Settings.
RGardner said:
Define, "activates." What does it do?
With default settings, and a glass screen protector, my phone recognizes the S Pen when it is within 12mm - about 1/2 inch - from the screen. That's when the little circle appears, and the Air Command button highlights (for example). I rather think it's supposed to work like that. You shouldn't need to touch the pen to the screen or apps like Glance wouldn't work.
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By activate, I mean it will launch apps on the home screen, open links in by web browser, etc. I get the little circle when my S-Pen is close to the screen and it works as it should. That's not the problem.
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The s-pen detects pressure by sensing how hard the nib is pressed, thus the phone can recognise by determining where the pen is on the screen and the pressure exerted (you can test this by pressing the nib with your finger, and hover your s-pen on something you want to click)
You could try removing the nib and re-inserting it back, if that helps
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I tried replacing the nib, but it makes no difference. I have a second S-Pen that came with the phone and it does the same thing. So, I don't think it's the S-Pen that is the problem, it's the sensitivity of the screen.