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Hi,
Where is the new rom from HTC to enable our Trinitys with GPS capability? I know the Dopod rom is out but it has a lot of jargon attached to it. They said March and it came and no news.
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Gilbert
Gilbert said:
Hi,
Where is the new rom from HTC to enable our Trinitys with GPS capability? I know the Dopod rom is out but it has a lot of jargon attached to it. They said March and it came and no news.
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I agree this is frustrating. The DOPOD ROM has been available for a month now and basically they are the same company. They don't seem to care too much for their European customers.
Answer from HTC last Week
I ask HTC last week, from where i can get an update, because i didn't bought the p3600 from a provider. This was the answer:
The HTC P3600 currently does not offer GPS Functionality. While we are aware that some other derivatives of the P3600 may have already released this update, HTC has not yet set a date on the final release of the ROM update, as other updates are being included in the release.
Please continue to check the www.europe.htc.com support section for an update section, which is to be included once ROM updates have been released.
i've given up waiting, just flashed mine with a GPS enabled rom
i think. they'll out in second half of march... be patient
gugus said:
...as other updates are being included in the release....
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Dude, that sounds hot! What if one of those other updates is WM6 or some really useful bug-fix?
There are a plethora of other bugs on this device that need fixing (camera driver issues, cpu/imageon compatibility issues, skype speaker issue). I for one will be happy to wait until the end of the month if we get fixes for other issues too.
I've got a Spanish Trinity and also made a question about the GPS ROM update to HTC, here is the answer:
Thank you for your enquiry concerning the HTC P3600 mobile device.
The HTC P3600 currently does not offer GPS Functionality. There is a possibility of an update to enable the GPS functions of the device at a future date, and we hope to be able to do this as soon as possible, but we cannot and do not guarantee this.? If you buy the P3600 for possible future GPS functionality, you do so entirely at your own risk.
I hope we have it shortly but I've got my doubts!!!
RXN said:
I've got a Spanish Trinity and also made a question about the GPS ROM update to HTC, here is the answer:
Thank you for your enquiry concerning the HTC P3600 mobile device.
The HTC P3600 currently does not offer GPS Functionality. There is a possibility of an update to enable the GPS functions of the device at a future date, and we hope to be able to do this as soon as possible, but we cannot and do not guarantee this.? If you buy the P3600 for possible future GPS functionality, you do so entirely at your own risk.
I hope we have it shortly but I've got my doubts!!!
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That's the same message they were sending in December. Obviously the support people can only feed you with canned responses when it comes to future products or enhancements.
Hello,
I have just bought P3600 except operator pack.
I know that Orange brought out a ROM with the GPS. Having an orange abo, that will happen if I put this rom? Has it a risk there of shooting my HTC?
Thx
bonjour,
je viens d'acheter un P3600 hors offre opérateur.
Je sais qu'Orange a sortie une ROM avec le GPS. Ayant un abo orange, que se passera t il si je mets cette rom? Y a t il un risque de shooter mon téléphone?
D'avance merci
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It really shoes that htc give a sh*** about their europoean costomers.
Here in germany already vodafone got the trinity with gps ans sells it under their brand. but you cant download the rom.
I'm going to try to get the rom at vodafone on the cebit in 2 weeks. But I don't think I'll be successfull. I think theys will tell me "You cant get the rom because you don't own a original vodafone product" or stuff like that.
I'll never buy an htc pda again this supoort is joke! They're sending the same messages for month. I guess they think: "Hey this guy already baught our product, so why should we take care of if he gets gps on it."
to be honnest, all the gps roms like the one from dopod and orange still have bugs in them.
no bass, touchdcreenslowdown etc;
i'd rather wait a bit longer for an htc rom if that means those bugs are fixed awell
I mean it would be ok if htc says that they realse it in april or even in may. But they say nothing, so it's possible too that they never release a gps update for the htc P3600.
You are right guys, it would be better if HTC would tell us at least the month they will realease their Rom update but nothing. I bought a product which costs more than my salary here in tunsia an got a product which would be perfect if the bugs would be fixed, but theres no reaction which can help us out of this problem, I would wait until june or even july. After the HTC Magician, HTC just sold gargabe, Im not contently with the support of HTC, I think thats the last time I´ve bought something of them.
Spoke to the HTC Boogers in London to ask them when they are releasing their rom upgrade with GPS enabled and they said they still don't know yet and they acknowledged that a rom is in the cooking but they cannot confirm if the GPS or WM6 will be included but they said that they are addressing all the errors and bugs found in the earlier rom to be fixed in the new rom. They mentioned something like two to three months for the new rom release. BIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Next time I will buy a bloody Dopod and live with their network jargon on the device
Gilbert said:
Next time I will buy a bloody Dopod
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Next time I might buy an HP. At least they have a good record in terms of providing bug fixes and updates. It doesn't make sense to buy the most feature rich device if it takes ages to fix bugs and deliver full functionality.
The "busy signal through loudspeaker" bug is just ridiculous. They should have fixed it months ago.
Ranting!
I dont understand your ranting. This device is marvelous. You can get GPS if you use other roms. I do not have a touchscreen issue and with my Bluetooth headset sound is okay. There is no device on the market with all this (working!) features AND this smart design and form factor. I had an Dell Axim x51v before and support was a nightmare!
anonimo said:
Next time I might buy an HP. At least they have a good record in terms of providing bug fixes and updates.
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buhahahahahahahahahahahaha sorry no offense but you MUST be clueless
saminegm said:
I dont understand your ranting. This device is marvelous. You can get GPS if you use other roms. I do not have a touchscreen issue and with my Bluetooth headset sound is okay. There is no device on the market with all this (working!) features AND this smart design and form factor. I had an Dell Axim x51v before and support was a nightmare!
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I agree. After upgrading to the Dopod rom, installing SPB Mobile Shell instead of SPB PocketPlus and upgrading to Navigon 6.1 gps software, this device works fast and very stable. It is much better than I originally anticipated.
NLS said:
buhahahahahahahahahahahaha sorry no offense but you MUST be clueless
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I have never used HP PocketPC phones but I had three HP iPaq PocketPCs in the past (two of them were actually still branded Compaq) and for two of those three HP/Compaq provided an upgrade to the next OS release and generally for all of them they issued at least 10 updates/patches/improvements. You can check the HP site and find these updates yourself.
On the other hand HTC/Qtek/Dopod have never ever offered OS upgrades and their response time in handling problems has always been awful. In fact I own a Qtek S200 bought on Expansys and to this date I would not have access to any correction at all if it wasn't for this site. I would not be able to use my stereo bluetooth headset with that phone because there is no OFFICIAL way to enable A2DP on that phone even if we all know that it is technically possible and I have used the "home-made" solution for months.
Honestly it just stinks that we must rely on this site and patch products costing 400 pounds with unofficial software to make them work correctly. And I see this as HTC's fault.
SO: no, I am not clueless and I am reporting my specific personal experience. On the other hand you have just sent a meaningless message without any substance as to why I would be "clueless".
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8240/leaked-info-on-att-treo-750-and-680-rom-updates/
i am looking forward to "oversized mute and speakerphone controls" !!! ...seems diff from the leaked ver, i think...
Maybe, but I'm not holding my breath on that.
I'm hoping the big delay is due to the implementation of the carousel into the today screen and similar as with the 500/centro.
Wouldn't that be nice, the states get the latest and greatest first for once
I saw this news too. Treo Central is reporting that "an internal AT&tT presentation has been posted." Follow link below...
http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/1384-1.htm
Of course the URL on the presentation is producing a 404 error today ... 3 days after it was supposed to be available ...
chakli said:
i am looking forward to "oversized mute and speakerphone controls" !!! ...seems diff from the leaked ver, i think...
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You mean the more than just the top line of those two buttons will now be visible when the Touchscreen Disabled message overlays them (when Auto-Disable Touchscreen while on call is selected)?
This is probably the only reason I would go to the trouble of "upgrading" from my "Leaked AT&T" WM6 version
Palm tech support told me today (10/21) that they have released WM6 to ATT for testing. Anyone have any idea how much longer we wait from here?
I should hope AT&T has been testing it. We've been testing WM6 for months now.
My unofficial, unscientific and uneducated guess: We'll finally get the official release sometime after yesterday.
I was talking to AT&T business customer service regarding my account. Before i got off the phone i asked a question regarding the availability of WM6 for the treo 750. He said the upgrade is out and available to all thier retail stores in effort to upgrade the existing stock of Treo 750 with WM5 to WM6 in preperation for the arrival of the new TREO 750 with WM6 included. Once the above mentioned is complied with, the upgrade for existing users will hit the perverbial shelves...
Giving Back..
jhowle
Excellent, jhowle! Thanks.
Anyone have any thoughts on how the upgrade will go for those of us with the leaked rom? Think the update will work as advertised? Or will we have to extract the cheeimg.nbh?
Not a huge deal either way. Just curious.
ladues and gent i finally gave in and went back to htc product, treo just not promising when come to updates and upgrades, so i have decide to invest my self in a new tytn II, how ever this have been a very wild adventure i am still retaining my patience with my treo 750 on ausie wm6 with att capakage.
But it does not look good for us. I think we're going to have to rely on developers to release drivers for us, not HTC
"HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats," reads the official response, in part. Furthermore, the company has officially confirmed that Imageon drivers are not in use on the affected devices, but that it "plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support."
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Link
Then its final. no more HTC for me as this will be my last HTC device.
HTC you ruined my day. . . Well, I think that means they want a huge money donation to enable them. . .
Yeah no more HTC for me. Everyone who wanted the driver issues fix should agree that when they buy their next PPC make sure it's not an HTC
Fantastic. Perfect. Top notch. [/sarcasm]
So, in light of problems being fixed as they should be, the new issue is with what to replace the Kaiser?
Where oh where is the M8??
What they basically said is that "yea, we know there is no hardware acceleration, but if you really want it you are going to have to give us even more money by buying our next gen handset, bc we aren't fixing it in this one".
I used to rave about my 8125 to everyone. It's too bad HTC is taking the position they are. Never again will I buy a product from HTC or recommend them to anyone else. My next handset will be from i-mate.
yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard
Okay, so whos up for a nice class action lawsuit? I'm totally willing to try running HTC into the ground with one.
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yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard
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i-mate just annoced last week that they are going back to HTC as the ODM of their phones. I-mate had tried (or was trying with) some other ODMs and it didn't pan out, so they are going back to HTC. If you don't want HTC, then don't buy any future i-mates either....
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/palm-i-mate-others-moving-manufacturing-contracts-back-to-htc/
I think we now need a sticky thread stating "Dont buy HTC products unless you've had your brain removed"
Certainly depending upon who commented to Engadget, we dont know how seriously to take this. But it does look bleak
We all know the existing drivers suck, the phone is buggy
and more to the point for a "premium" product, it doesnt fulfill some functions its predecessors could (its slower than my 3 yr old Wizard at scrolling, camera and opening/closing)
The standard, 'we already got your money response'...
Maybe it would be prudent for a written complaint to the carriers now, if they blow this off on this handset, what makes you think there won't be anything wrong with the next? Maybe they are making a promise on the next? Any takers?
?Glitch
ericc191 said:
yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard
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That they do. they are actually releasing a kaiser killer very soon - the Ultimate 9502
It uses the exact same chipset as the Kaiser, but I'm guessing it has drivers for hardware acceleration too. It has the same specs as the kaiser (GPS, HSDPA, etc, etc) and features a VGA screen.
Beat me to the 9502. Link - http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502
snif...
ah well, here's looking forward to the
toshiba g920
http://www.slashphone.com/111/9012.html
or the imate 9502
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2007/10/imate_9502_handson.html
or whenever the he77 apple gets a 3g stick out of their a$$.
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i-mate just annoced last week that they are going back to HTC as the ODM of their phones. I-mate had tried (or was trying with) some other ODMs and it didn't pan out, so they are going back to HTC. If you don't want HTC, then don't buy any future i-mates either....
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/palm-i-mate-others-moving-manufacturing-contracts-back-to-htc/
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ah, craptastic.
well, maybe the linux-palm? or go retro and ditch the convergence altogether?
" In response to recent customer complaints about poor video performance on HTC devices based on the latest Qualcomm MSM7xxx chipsets, HTC is providing the following statement.
HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality. HTC does not offer dedicated or optimized multimedia devices and can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration hardware.
HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smart phones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats.
HTC values its customers and the overall online community of mobile device enthusiasts and fans. HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support. "
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this whole statement is very ambiguous and does not state that support for imageon drivers aren't possible on current devices. i think its a pr statement and doesn't reflect what their software team is doing. its very opened ended and we could have support for acceleration but we couldn't as well. this statement doesn't tell us that.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361580
So htc said that the devices with the latest qualcomm chipsets would have 3d acceleration, but they dont. Has anyone pointed this out before. Im not a tytn ii owner, but ive been following the news, since i wanted one for myself.
But, is this false advertising, saying it will have hardware acceleration and then not giving it, and saying it will never be given in an update.
I think the 9502 is where im going too, we just need a forum on XDA for it.
Rory
Back to palm for me!!!
Guilf said:
Beat me to the 9502. Link - http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502
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I wonder if the keyboard is comfortable.
Also, let's say I purchase this phone in March. Would HTC get any of that profit?
I agree with BlueCop, and why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Where there's a demand, drivers will follow - their source is just unclear at the moment.
Look at this:
http://gizmodo.com/360514/htc-says-software-fix-is-coming-for-lousy-video-drivers
An official HTC statement about the drivers looks promising. Again, keep your hopes up and guard up!
Not only is this old and posted to death, but
However this fix is not a new video driver to utilize hardware acceleration
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There is nothing promising about this, please read carefully next time, it just misleads people who read your post
Damn. . . I thought that was a new and updated statement. Look if you only read a little bit of it then you probably missed out on this.
Some of our top engineers have investigated video performance on our devices and have discovered a fix that they claim will dramatically improve performance for common on-screen tasks like scrolling and the like. Their fix would help most of our recent touch-screen products including the Touch family of devices and TYTN II / Tilt, Mogul / XV6900. The update is in testing and we hope to release it soon. However this fix is not a new video driver to utilize hardware acceleration; it is a software optimization. Video drivers are a much more complicated issue that involves companies and engineers beyond HTC alone. We do not want to lead anyone to believe they should expect these. To explain why we are not releasing video acceleration instead of the optimization
I offer you our official statement... "HTC DOES plan to offer software upgrades that will increase feature functionality, over the air wireless speeds and other enhancements for some of the phones being criticized, but we do not anticipate including any additional support for the video acceleration issues cited in customer complaints. It is important for customers to understand that bringing this functionality to market is not a trivial driver update and requires extensive software development and time. HTC will utilize hardware video acceleration like the ATI Imageon in many upcoming products. Our users have made it clear that they expect our products to offer an improved visual experience, and we have included this feedback into planning and development of future products. To address lingering questions about HTC's current MSM 7xxx devices, it is important to establish that a chipset like an MSM7xxx is a platform with a vast multitude of features that enable a wide range of devices with varied functionality. It is common that devices built on platforms like Qualcomm's will not enable every feature or function. In addition to making sure the required hardware is present, unlocking extended capabilities of chipsets like the MSM 7xxx requires in-depth and time consuming software development, complicated licensing negotiations, potential intellectual property negotiations, added licensing fees, and in the case of devices that are sold through operators, the desire of the operator to include the additional functionality. To make an informed decision about which handset suits them best, consumers should look at the product specification itself instead of using the underlying chipset specifications to define what the product could potentially become."
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Damn. . . I thought that was a new and updated statement. Look if you only read a little bit of it then you probably missed out on this.
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Sorry Tito,
Nothing new to that, just the same old company line that they've been spouting for weeks.
Meeing!! I thought I saw something new. Well Law Suit it is then since they don't want to make a small amount of effort to fix some devices problems that they shouldn't have. I wonder if they use their own devices or do they have drivers made for them and not us?
Someone knows if exist a software that let our android powered phone compatible and working with ANT+ Technology?
for the pwople that doesn't know here the link http://www.thisisant.com/technology
Is a new protocol of communication data that is starting to be used in a lot of sport oriented devices, as the device for cycling. Exists something similira to this for the iphone.
From what I've found ANT+ is a proprietary standard. An industry-wide competitor is being flushed out in the 'Bluetooth Low Energy' protocol.
I'm thinking the first question before software is whether the 2.4Ghz bluetooth antenna in the G1 is compatible. I'm assuming not.
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From what I've found ANT+ is a proprietary standard. An industry-wide competitor is being flushed out in the 'Bluetooth Low Energy' protocol.
I'm thinking the first question before software is whether the 2.4Ghz bluetooth antenna in the G1 is compatible. I'm assuming not.
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I saw a software with an hardware that is working perfectly with iphone.
http://www.smheartlink.com/
http://www.smheartlink.com/products.html
That's why i asked. But the 2.4 ghz is not a wifi technology that can be used with the wifi receiver?
Thank you for your information.
I'd also dearly love to see an Android app that is ANT+ interoperable, even if additional hardware is required (as with the iPhone).
I'm sure there's bunches of Android users out there with Garmin heart rate monitors, etc. that would love to be able to use our phones as one-stop phone-music-podcast-gps-heartrate devices.
As a new user, I can't post links yet, but you can find tons of iPhone-and-ANT+ examples if you google ANT+ iPhone.
As seen here (the legend in this case), phones containing the WiLink chipset. ANT+ is now integrated into Android phones with the Texas Instruments WiLink™ chip.
I too use my phone almost daily for multi-sport activities, and would like to see my cadence, Heart Rate, ect recorded along with the speed and location. If anyone has more info, please share!
Does anyone kow of a list of phones from HTC that have the WiLink chip?
HTC models with TI WiLink chip for ANT+
Here's a list of current HTC models which use the TI WiLink 6.0 chip. Via HTC's main office in Taipei:
"These are the phones that use Texas Instruments Chip Set. Probably they also use this chip for WLAN but nothing we can guarantee. P3400i P3470 P3401 P3400 P3301 P4350 P3300 p4300 p4351 s621 s320 S710 S620 S310 s411 Ted Baker Touch Touch 3G Touch Viva rest of our phones using the Qualcomm processor."
As you can see, no Android models are listed. Bad news for those of us hopeful for switching on ANT+ connectivity.
The press releases surrounding the Tour de France project which used HTC Legends contain incorrect statements. The Legends used were said to be "Off-the-shelf" models which had a special firmware update to activate the ANT+ connectivity of TI WiLink processors.
HTC Legends off-the-shelf use a Qualcomm processor, not Texas Instruments. The HTC Legends used in the TdF had TI WiLink chipsets onboard. How that was so is a mystery.
Motorola Droid and Droid X use TI WiLink 6.0 and 7.0 processors, respectively. The 7.0 chip is ANT+ ready and just needs an app, which there are currently none in the Market.
The code that were used during TDF was this
http://code.google.com/r/sandordornbush-release/source/browse/
I would love to have ANT+ in my android phone
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Here's a list of current HTC models which use the TI WiLink 6.0 chip. Via HTC's main office in Taipei:
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you got it all wrong
those models use the TI CPU, TI OMAP to be exact
don't you see the difference between CPU and I/O controller chip?..
@GenT,
The information I posted was directly cut and pasted from correspondence with HTC. I am not a hardware expert and wouldn't know if the information/terminology supplied to me was consistent or not.
What I want is an ANT+ compatible Android device like the HTC Legends used by team HTC Columbia in this years Tour de France. I went on a mission to find out which HTC models were capable based on press releases from ANT+ and Texas Instruments. Statements in those press releases were inconsistent with HTC's current Android model specs on their website. This led me to contact various departments within HTC for answers.
According to email I received from HTC, the Legends used in the TdF had one-off hardware modifications using TI's WiLink chipsets, and are not available to consumers just yet.
Bottom line, HTC said consumer-ready ANT+ connectivity solutions do not exist for their current Android lineup.
Sent from my OD 4.0.36 modded HTC Desire using XDA App
BT and ANT+ Sensor Tech in Mobile Phones Today
I've written a blog post to cover all I could dig up on this subject as it currently stands today. "BT and ANT+ Sensor Tech in Mobile Phones Today"
Thanks,
David