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i just bought a new p4550 ... can't wait to flash it .
according to wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Kaiser
there is some problem with the video driver, and it's sad since its good based hardware. as i see the topics on kaiser i understand people use other video drivers for the kaiser.
my question, is the perfect video driver has found ?
or the device will be forever unperfect
anyone please ?
A question for HTC or your phone provider
What did HTC or the people who supplied your branded phone respond with? You have complained to them haven't you? Although people associated with the HTC Class Action website (search for that if you don't know what I mean) have come up with 3D drivers, they do nothing for ordinary 2D use or for playing videos etc so the hardware in the device isn't been fully taken advantage of by the existing setup. As theres nothing else out there that's capable of what the TyTN II offers including the tilting screen (and that's over a year since it was first released) it's important that a proper solution is achieved. The first step is writing to THEM.
i bought my phone through Ebay, so i have no one to complain and i saw an HTC reply in one of the posts here, they said they are not providing an multimedia device... well , what can you do now ?
You have the company responsible for it's manufacture/design
mohen said:
i bought my phone through Ebay, so i have no one to complain and i saw an HTC reply in one of the posts here, they said they are not providing an multimedia device... well , what can you do now ?
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I didn't mean the individual/shop or business that sold the phone but the company that supplied and branded it for the seller such as HTC or the cell phone network provider if it's not a HTC branded device. I've read those comments as well but I think everyone unhappy with this aspect of the device should complain to those responsible for it's manufacture and design/programming and see how they respond before trying anything else.
okay i get you but still, like i said , htc comment was that the kaiser is not an multimedia device . we can assume they now going to release any fix since an year past already.
if u remember, there were some petition but nothing work else then this .
You still need to contact HTC/Branded provider of your device
I think you appear to have a good understanding of the situation but you are asking the wrong people what is going to happen. Before you go any further, you need to ask HTC or the network carrier who helped them develop your model of phone. If you believe what's already been written from some sources along the lines of nothing can be done and think that since its over a year since they first released the device so nothing will happen, then giving up and not even contacting HTC/The Network Carrier responsible for providing your device, is not going to get you anywhere is it?
The question remains, what has HTC or the network who developed your model of Kaiser responded with to you personally? Write a letter (or a few, what ever it takes to get a response) to them and then get back to us.
Hi,
I've been a visitor of this site for quite some time now, and i've modded my phone quite a few times, with the help of you guy on the forum. But i recently signed up today.
Anyway, to cut to the chase.
I have an Xperia X8 loaded with Kuyadroid. android version 2.3.7,
I want to update to ICS but my phone has the 11w29 sticker, so Unlocking the bootloader will be dangerous, but i've been researching and have found out that through the use of "Test Points", the phone can be unlocked, despite my phones Manufacture number.
but first, can anybody tell me where the test point is on the E15 board, and what i have to do after i have tampered with the test point?
Your help is appreciated
thanks
I also have a 11w29 and unlocked it in the normal way found here at the xda and did not brick my phone hope it helped
Yeah but my X8 is network locked by Three Mobile, and running a custom ROM already, can i still unlock my bootloader, & even though it worked for you, it may not for me, normally it's a matter of Chance, but is there any safe way to unlock the bootloader, this is my only phone and i can't afford to break it!
thanks for replying so quickly
Der_Panzerfaust said:
Yeah but my X8 is network locked by Three Mobile, and running a custom ROM already, can i still unlock my bootloader, & even though it worked for you, it may not for me, normally it's a matter of Chance, but is there any safe way to unlock the bootloader, this is my only phone and i can't afford to break it!
thanks for replying so quickly
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I believe you should NOT opt for unlocking considering the two facts that you have 11W29 (had you had 11W28 , things would've been different) and that you can't afford to break it.
I was thinking that, but it would really benefit me if i could unlock the bootloader since it unlocks so many good features of a phone, but i heard that the test point method can be used with 11w29+ handsets, and is less likely to brick.
Der_Panzerfaust said:
I was thinking that, but it would really benefit me if i could unlock the bootloader since it unlocks so many good features of a phone, but i heard that the test point method can be used with 11w29+ handsets, and is less likely to brick.
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You may risk it. It's up to you. If you are not under warranty , I do not suggest you to proceed. However , the final judgement lies with you
Il, be careful,
but where is the test point on the E15 board, and what do i do after i've tampered with it? & my phone is locked By Three mobile, will that be a problem?
Thats a Simlock issue. Bootloader was lock by manufacturer not with the network provider. Take note that it may relock after unlocking bootloader.
If I were you better not you have been WARNED.
Thanks, but does anyone actually know where the test point is so i can try out this risky operation??
I had a 11w34 just remember that when tested the phone with s1tool showed semc sim certificate and used the ms77 cmd tool and it unlocked just fine, now i have 11w48 cause previous one was stolen from me and want to take the risk but its not going trough dunno why it says adb not a valid command
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I used S1tool & i got the "SEMC Simlock certificate" message, i looked around and that means my bootloader is unlockable, but does that mean i can unlock with less chance of bricking my phone?
Traditional unlock is incredibly risky with 11w29+, seems especially bad in the 30s range. The SEMC Simlock message means nothing, as unlocking will seem to work (just on the next reboot you will have hardbricked your phone). Not much you can do at that point so I wouldn't risk it.
Recent SETool can safely unlock the new chipset (no test point needed). Very pricey if you want to do it yourself, but you can go through a comparatively cheap service such as unlock-bootloader.com. Process is quick and painless.
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Traditional unlock is incredibly risky with 11w29+, seems especially bad in the 30s range. The SEMC Simlock message means nothing, as unlocking will seem to work (just on the next reboot you will have hardbricked your phone). Not much you can do at that point so I wouldn't risk it.
Recent SETool can safely unlock the new chipset (no test point needed). Very pricey if you want to do it yourself, but you can go through a comparatively cheap service such as unlock-bootloader.com. Process is quick and painless.
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Does SETool really work with the new Chipset my phone currently carries, and also is it still possible for me to find the test point, do you know wher it is? and what do i do after that?
As far as I have read the test points aren't easily accessible on X8, you'd probably have to solder and even then it might still be risky (in addition to potentially physically breaking your phone). Am not 100% on that though.
I can confirm that paid SETool works, had my X8 unlocked that way as I have a newer model as well. Also has the benefit of unlocking fastboot and any sim lock that might be on it.
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As far as I have read the test points aren't easily accessible on X8, you'd probably have to solder and even then it might still be risky (in addition to potentially physically breaking your phone). Am not 100% on that though.
I can confirm that paid SETool works, had my X8 unlocked that way as I have a newer model as well. Also has the benefit of unlocking fastboot and any sim lock that might be on it.
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Ok, thanks, but how much will SETool cost for this procedure?
A lot if you buy the toolbox/smart card/credits to unlock yourself. Considerably less if you let someone else do it.
I paid about 15 quid to have it unlocked over the net.
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A lot if you buy the toolbox/smart card/credits to unlock yourself. Considerably less if you let someone else do it.
I paid about 15 quid to have it unlocked over the net.
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http://support.setool.net/showthread.php?3-UPDATES-AND-NEWS/page24
this link says something about SETool being free after the smartcard is updated but something tells me i'm misreading it, can you tell me what this means?
thanks
I think it used to be that you had to buy credits for SETool per-use whereas now you buy them once for the update and then can use it indefinitely.
Unfortunately no free way to do it at this point as far as I can tell, unless you can/want to risk it. I couldn't, so considering the likely cost of having it hardbricked I thought it was fairly reasonable.
Curses, thats quite a kick in the jewels,
Where can i buy credits, & how many credits do i need, at what price?
Can't really help there as I don't have that kind of money to spend.
I think you'd need to invest in a toolbox (~£100ish?) and smart card (~£50? afaik) but I'm not sure whether that includes the update credit or not.
It is quite depressing. It being a software solution there's hope for a free tool to be available someday, but being an older phone I would not hold my breath. Don't we wish they could just ship devices in a state that isn't trying to screw us over :/
Hi,
Last week my Optimus 2x was a bit unlucky. It burned charging port.
Everything will be fine but I had Django Manouche ROM.
Ofcourse my first though was to change rom for orginal one and then send it to LG for repair. Unlucky computer connection port is same that just burned.
So without thinking, I send it to LG Poland. After few days I got negative answer - Rom was changed so they wont repair.
Nowadays I'm arguing with them to get explanation, how its possible that USB charger that i used is still working, phone is working (if it have battery juice) and they are saying they won't repair it because of ROM change.
Is anyone here know, is it possible that drivers from kernel burned my charging port ?
Maybe its bigger problem and not only mine phone can have this issue ?
I looked in this file: "https://github.com/CyanogenMod/lge-kernel-star/blob/jellybean/drivers/power/su660_battery.c" (My acc dont have 10 post so link is like this). Obviously its reposible for battery but i think many ppl is using it in his kernels (probably even LG) and it should work.
Best regards
Cameleeck
PS. I asked LG for answer which exactly file could destroy my device. I will be reporting what they answered.
LoL, blame yourself. If you agree to use a non manufacturer aproved software, he has no obligation to provide you with any warranty. Whatever the cause of problem may be, service guys cannot even diagnose the phone as custom rom is there and they have no obligation to clean your rom mess, as it is wasted unpaid labour time for them. Don't you understand that each kernel mods can cause some sort of hang up with resulting endless charging without temp thresholds? Let us just be fair, everything has its own risks. Just pay the repair fee. For this old model those are just couple drinks at bar and with preserved nerves and time.
So let us call it death at frontlines...
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I understand risk that i took. Well it can happen, actually i wanted to change this phone But still there can be tons of ppl using some kind of soft that can be risky - as a developer i want to provide some help for a guys that still can have wrong software. So thats why im asking about help and about drivers.
And if we talk about expenses:
Let us just be fair, everything has its own risks. Just pay the repair fee. For this old model those are just couple drinks at bar and with preserved nerves and time.
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They said they can repair it at cost about 200 euro - so probably this price is much bigger than couple of drinks in bar
Still, my questions didnt change.
If someone had this kind of issues or just made some tweaks in battery managment/charging in Android that can explain or even make direction where to look please left here some response.
Then maybe I will apologize to C++ and can make some patch for kernel or even better: maybe there is someone that can make it on his own.
Guaranty says that changing soft voids it, so nothing will help there.
Mam do zaoferowania LG 2X, bo obecnie mam dwa
Actually you're wrong.
Rooting and flashing does NOT void your warranty - at least for us lucky EU citiziens.
http://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
So if you're still under warranty tell LG that you demand a repair on warranty and won't accept a fine.
Apart from that: Yes, if you mess with your kernel you can hardbrick your device. Frying a port is possible e.g. playing with the voltages.
tonyp said:
Actually you're wrong.
Rooting and flashing does NOT void your warranty - at least for us lucky EU citiziens.
http://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
So if you're still under warranty tell LG that you demand a repair on warranty and won't accept a fine.
Apart from that: Yes, if you mess with your kernel you can hardbrick your device. Frying a port is possible e.g. playing with the voltages.
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Tony, do you ever sleep?
But you are a bit wrong here . You are forgetting about the other dark side ehrm...
For example... ... You will find warranty rules for this on each manufacturer site somewhere and for some phones in the brochure and book that came with phone inside the box, that covers up warranty rules and by buying the device you even sign those evil papers with the small font print on it...
We are not that strict about rooting, although with that you can also load some sort of dumb overclocking modules and screw the whole voltage table via insmod and burn the device, ain't it? There for I was always strict about fast charge and similar mods, too much risks involved, and the end users don't really understand them and here is a fine example and result of it.
So you are missing the point mates. Warranty repair... Altering the rom brings really pain for service guys. How do you imagine we are repairing them? Do you ever imagined what for is that hidden service menu? If a custom rom is present, that APK is thrown out, we have no manufacturer support and instruments to find out what on earth happened to the board and do basic diagnosis. SWAP the board? Are you nuts? Afterwards the board is shipped to motherland and they test them via their own secret birth cradle - jtag as they diagnose and refurbish them. Then they will see that those dumbarses didn't even test the phone as alien OS is present there and the service location will be fined with full swap price as a punishment as we didn't obey the contract.
For example HTC or Sony involves online logging system for each phone, where basic parameters are sent and self test data. If bootloader or OS is tampered we cannot do anything, none of manufacturer self test calibration program tools work as in hell custom OS doesn't provide compatibility with that!
So in the service location are mere contract people(although Polish, the second worst service locations in EU, the worst is Romania, although in Regenersis as far I know mostly romanians are being enslav... excuse me labored , god they have such poor repair quality since ages).
But leaving that aside, service location clean out the mess made by greedy manufacturers and egoistic users, we are not the manufacturer, imagine all the device mess around and for one guy to know how to unroot, change bootloader seek for nvflashes etc stuff... nope... noone does it, we need to feed our families too and the repair queues are long enough too, the stupid peace of plastic ain't worth it it consumes so much time and other people are waiting for the repair too. There for You were fined with motherboard replacement price... although 200$... ok those are two evenings in a bar...
So if you alter the OS/root, we cannot repair the damn phone, for example a silly broken touch screen. You just replace the darn thing and that's it, that is my software etc, well then who will calibrate that thing? Call the mojo battery calibration app, yes? LoL? Again flash stock OS? Oh crap wrong bootloader, oh crap version mismatch? What on earth the user flashed in, oh good it was found on some native china forums :cyclops:
So none of service locations will argue about power users who can clean up their mess and bring a reflashed clean device, no matter what you did before the device, the user has respect for our work and time and is willing to make the repair faster. But this isn't the case as USB is burned out.
And to this case specifically... yes you are busted, worst case scenario. If you won't pay and will argue, ok then the independent expertise will be needed = 100$. Then you must go to court, although the expert can also tell that it is your fault and then you are busted again.
But if the expert is dumb enough, then in the court what will the lawyers say... just what Tony did... playing with voltages can burn your phone just like a lousy screaming witch on a stick. And you signed those vicious papers, and you also knew about the risks just as in HTC site is stated word by word. Pay the expertise and court costs . [That happens always, default scenario]
I guess I made clear my point of view why altering the software voids your warranty, as it simply becomes irreparable brick in most cases.
About that fsfe.org... bull*** every argument there can be overthrown, believe me, I know, they have the common sense sentence there, it gives a lot of freedom
Ferrum Master said:
Tony, do you ever sleep?
But you are a bit wrong here . You are forgetting about the other dark side ehrm...
For example... ... You will find warranty rules for this on each manufacturer site somewhere and for some phones in the brochure and book that came with phone inside the box, that covers up warranty rules and by buying the device you even sign those evil papers with the small font print on it...
We are not that strict about rooting, although with that you can also load some sort of dumb overclocking modules and screw the whole voltage table via insmod and burn the device, ain't it? There for I was always strict about fast charge and similar mods, too much risks involved, and the end users don't really understand them and here is a fine example and result of it.
So you are missing the point mates. Warranty repair... Altering the rom brings really pain for service guys. How do you imagine we are repairing them? Do you ever imagined what for is that hidden service menu? If a custom rom is present, that APK is thrown out, we have no manufacturer support and instruments to find out what on earth happened to the board and do basic diagnosis. SWAP the board? Are you nuts? Afterwards the board is shipped to motherland and they test them via their own secret birth cradle - jtag as they diagnose and refurbish them. Then they will see that those dumbarses didn't even test the phone as alien OS is present there and the service location will be fined with full swap price as a punishment as we didn't obey the contract.
For example HTC or Sony involves online logging system for each phone, where basic parameters are sent and self test data. If bootloader or OS is tampered we cannot do anything, none of manufacturer self test calibration program tools work as in hell custom OS doesn't provide compatibility with that!
So in the service location are mere contract people(although Polish, the second worst service locations in EU, the worst is Romania, although in Regenersis as far I know mostly romanians are being enslav... excuse me labored , god they have such poor repair quality since ages).
But leaving that aside, service location clean out the mess made by greedy manufacturers and egoistic users, we are not the manufacturer, imagine all the device mess around and for one guy to know how to unroot, change bootloader seek for nvflashes etc stuff... nope... noone does it, we need to feed our families too and the repair queues are long enough too, the stupid peace of plastic ain't worth it it consumes so much time and other people are waiting for the repair too. There for You were fined with motherboard replacement price... although 200$... ok those are two evenings in a bar...
So if you alter the OS/root, we cannot repair the damn phone, for example a silly broken touch screen. You just replace the darn thing and that's it, that is my software etc, well then who will calibrate that thing? Call the mojo battery calibration app, yes? LoL? Again flash stock OS? Oh crap wrong bootloader, oh crap version mismatch? What on earth the user flashed in, oh good it was found on some native china forums :cyclops:
So none of service locations will argue about power users who can clean up their mess and bring a reflashed clean device, no matter what you did before the device, the user has respect for our work and time and is willing to make the repair faster. But this isn't the case as USB is burned out.
And to this case specifically... yes you are busted, worst case scenario. If you won't pay and will argue, ok then the independent expertise will be needed = 100$. Then you must go to court, although the expert can also tell that it is your fault and then you are busted again.
But if the expert is dumb enough, then in the court what will the lawyers say... just what Tony did... playing with voltages can burn your phone just like a lousy screaming witch on a stick. And you signed those vicious papers, and you also knew about the risks just as in HTC site is stated word by word. Pay the expertise and court costs . [That happens always, default scenario]
I guess I made clear my point of view why altering the software voids your warranty, as it simply becomes irreparable brick in most cases.
About that fsfe.org... bull*** every argument there can be overthrown, believe me, I know, they have the common sense sentence there, it gives a lot of freedom
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Uhm, well i think thats all a oint of how much the ROM is altered and is it close to stock ROM. although it´s important whats broken.
And the most important thing is how obliging the customer service is.
For Example. i used to own an Sony Xperia Mini Pro. I Messed around with a couple of ROM´s and during this procedure somehow my touch driver faded away. Well there was warranty on it and the actual ROM was ROOTED AND CUSTOM but very close to stock.
I send it in and after the short service time of 6 weeks Sony said that they Can´t repair the device but they are giving me the actually worth oft the phone back. (so i lost 20€ from original price)
That´s that.
On the other Hand there are Ways to Prevent users from F***ing up the system
I owned an Alcaltel onetouch (don´t remember the number) with every update Alcatel Killed Root accses with every update the Good dev´s who worked on this phone must find a new way to get Root.
This Part is to the OP
But besides all That. Android is an open source system and everybody who uses a Custom Rom and OC the Phone or Alter the Kernel should not Cry when its broke. You know the risk guys if you root and customize a phone with warranty don´t expect the Producer to help you if you f**k up the phone with obviously things like OC or Fast Charge -Fast Charge i don´t get this anyway i charge my phone over night thats that i thin 6 hours are enough time so i don´t need a phone charged in 30 min -
Did you know that you can cause you cell to - in worst case every - Explode because of fast Charging?
All Limitations the Producer makes are mostly to prevent such thing as overheating and whatnot. Just because you can OC the CPU to 1,4 Ghz doesn´t mean you have to. Do you think when your heart beats all time on max BPM you will life long? think about that.
I used to own a HTC Desire HD there where models where you could OC from 1Ghz stock up to 1,8 Ghz seriously would you try it?
Well that really grinds my gears today ^^
Odp: [Q] Battery driver and charging port burned
tonyp said:
Actually you're wrong.
Rooting and flashing does NOT void your warranty - at least for us lucky EU citiziens.
http://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
So if you're still under warranty tell LG that you demand a repair on warranty and won't accept a fine.
Apart from that: Yes, if you mess with your kernel you can hardbrick your device. Frying a port is possible e.g. playing with the voltages.
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But in my warranty card, there is a paragraph saying that any modifications done on software voids warranty.
So I was aware of that.
OP, there's also a way if they really don't want to accept warranty because custom rom. I did it once to them, because I am living in Poland too. Put your phone in microwave and set it for a a second. It should hard damage motherboard and LG won't be able to read if rom was changed. I was lucky with LG P500 this way, but maybe now things changed.
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Rayman96 said:
But in my warranty card, there is a paragraph saying that any modifications done on software voids warranty.
So I was aware of that.
OP, there's also a way if they really don't want to accept warranty because custom rom. I did it once to them, because I am living in Poland too. Put your phone in microwave and set it for a a second. It should hard damage motherboard and LG won't be able to read if rom was changed. I was lucky with LG P500 this way, but maybe now things changed.
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Yes this might be an option rayman96 but OP has to be sure that´s there no other way.
Rayman96 said:
But in my warranty card, there is a paragraph saying that any modifications done on software voids warranty.
So I was aware of that.
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But this doesn't matter. They can't just write into their warranty "what's written in law doesn't matter".
Okay they can "write" it in, but if there's a law that states otherwise that's useless.
Sent from my LG-P990 using xda app-developers app
tonyp said:
But this doesn't matter. They can't just write into their warranty "what's written in law doesn't matter".
Okay they can "write" it in, but if there's a law that states otherwise that's useless.
Sent from my LG-P990 using xda app-developers app
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Interesting, can you provide me source which says rooting does not voids warranty?
Edit: sorry, i missed it somehow
I have owned almost all nexus devices and some samsung, but i fall in love with the One. I read through some forum topics and the HTCDEV site and none of it was clear. If i unlock the bootloader all warrianty is void? I hope i am just misunderstood something. Unlocking the bootloader was never a problem with nexus or samsung devices why htc is making such a fuss about it? Please someone tell me i just misread stg.
vick33 said:
I have owned almost all nexus devices and some samsung, but i fall in love with the One. I read through some forum topics and the HTCDEV site and none of it was clear. If i unlock the bootloader all warrianty is void? I hope i am just misunderstood something. Unlocking the bootloader was never a problem with nexus or samsung devices why htc is making such a fuss about it? Please someone tell me i just misread stg.
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just like when you root warranty is void same with all manufactures
vick33 said:
I have owned almost all nexus devices and some samsung, but i fall in love with the One. I read through some forum topics and the HTCDEV site and none of it was clear. If i unlock the bootloader all warrianty is void? I hope i am just misunderstood something. Unlocking the bootloader was never a problem with nexus or samsung devices why htc is making such a fuss about it? Please someone tell me i just misread stg.
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I'm not sure about nexus, but I assure you it is exactly the same with Samsung. I have owned many Samsung phones in the past. Unlocking your bootloader, on practically any manufacturers device will void your warranty. The HTC One Development edition ships with an unlocked bootloader, maybe try that?
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just like when you root warranty is void same with all manufactures
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That is not true.
Nexus devices can be restored to factory settings with showing no signs of modifications. I have got nexus 7 replaced with faulty usb, and galaxy s3 with screen problems all had custom firmware before. Yes there you will have a yellow triangle, if you used no stock kernel, but you can easly remove that, going back to manufacturer state. And i asked asus if open bootloader is a problem for RMA as i cannot relock with the faulty usb they said why would it be?
sad to hear htc is different.. I want that one, but this is giving me second thoughts...
vick33 said:
That is not true.
Nexus devices can be restored to factory settings with showing no signs of modifications. I have got nexus 7 replaced with faulty usb, and galaxy s3 with screen problems all had custom firmware before. Yes there you will have a yellow triangle, if you used no stock kernel, but you can easly remove that, going back to manufacturer state. And i asked asus if open bootloader is a problem for RMA as i cannot relock with the faulty usb they said why would it be?
sad to hear htc is different.. I want that one, but this is giving me second thoughts...
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It is true. Just because you can revert it doesn't mean it's not originally voided. If say your LED screen died and you sent it for warranty and you had no way to run triangle away due to that and they saw it, you would be getting a bill.
The only way to save your warranty on this device is s-off and that's not yet available.
If you don't like it go to the Samsung S4 which has such a locked down bootloader only one dev has achieved it and still hasn't released how he did it. So no root at all over there.
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Your entire warranty is NOT voided due to unlocking or rooting. What DOES happen is your placed under more scrutiny and you have voided the warranty to things you can adversely affect.
For instance:
You rooted and your camera ceases to function or your LED flash dies. Your covered. I wouldn't recommend sending it in running a ROM, stock would ensure they can fix and test it.
Your rooted and your screen dies. You are covered.
Your rooted and the entire phone dies out of the blue. You would be under scrutiny regarding it and they would examine it to see if something you did caused the failure. If it is purely hardware related then you should be covered, otherwise your liable.
This same situation is what people who mod cars have had to fight against (and won). How does an exhaust modification cause a window failure? Or how does a custom head unit cause an engine failure.
There has to be a direct unarguable connection between your modification and the failure, I just had this happen with my Galaxy Nexus. It died completely and it was modified to high heaven. They knew it was unlocked but it wasn't the cause of the failure so it was fixed under warranty.
And BTW when you unlock your Nexus device it shows the exact same warning that the HTC unlocker software shows.
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And BTW when you unlock your Nexus device it shows the exact same warning that the HTC unlocker software shows.
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It does not true. Check the images i attached. And if you read through the google site on the nexus it does not say any connection between the warrianty and unlocking the bootloader. Seems like every htc owner thinks other manufacturers have the same policy on bootloaders...
and altimax98 i just read a thread that htc refused tu replace a screen with yellow spots because of unlocked bootloader here is the thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631466
I would love the HTC One as it is the most beautiful device i have ever seen but to keep it stok to have warrianty...
vick33 said:
It does not true. Check the images i attached. And if you read through the google site on the nexus it does not say any connection between the warrianty and unlocking the bootloader. Seems like every htc owner thinks other manufacturers have the same policy on bootloaders...
and altimax98 i just read a thread that htc refused tu replace a screen with yellow spots because of unlocked bootloader here is the thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631466
I would love the HTC One as it is the most beautiful device i have ever seen but to keep it stok to have warrianty...
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dude you need to do more research. samsung.htc.motorola.apple.lg,and google all say the same thing rooting,installing custom firmware, and unlocking bootloader may void warranty. if its not a manufacture defect they wont replace it. ive owned all of them and the message is always the same. it would be crazy for a company to sell you something with warranty and say do whatever you want with it and we will warranty for you
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dude you need to do more research. samsung.htc.motorola.apple.lg,and google all say the same thing rooting,installing custom firmware, and unlocking bootloader may void warranty. if its not a manufacture defect they wont replace it. ive owned all of them and the message is always the same. it would be crazy for a company to sell you something with warranty and say do whatever you want with it and we will warranty for you
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Um no it wouldn't. It would be crazy to sell a product and say you rooted that caused the defect. I have dealt with HTC and have sent many phones to them unlocked rooted with custom software and have not had any problem ever. Also please take a look at my signature had to make it to try and combat all the WRONG info out there. This is the USA we have rights when people care to inform themselves of them!
Also note how they always say "may void warranty" what they are really saying is if you do not know your rights we will be more than happy to screw you over as we are corporate and don't care about you at all.
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Um no it wouldn't. It would be crazy to sell a product and say you rooted that caused the defect. I have dealt with HTC and have sent many phones to them unlocked rooted with custom software and have not had any problem ever. Also please take a look at my signature had to make it to try and combat all the WRONG info out there. This is the USA we have rights when people care to inform themselves of them!
Also note how they always say "may void warranty" what they are really saying is if you do not know your rights we will be more than happy to screw you over as we are corporate and don't care about you at all.
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Exactly, they also use 'may void warranty' because there is no way they could make a comprehensive list of all the possible things that could void it. May is safety net of sorts to do exactly what nullkill said
skinsfanbdh said:
dude you need to do more research. samsung.htc.motorola.apple.lg,and google all say the same thing rooting,installing custom firmware, and unlocking bootloader may void warranty. if its not a manufacture defect they wont replace it. ive owned all of them and the message is always the same. it would be crazy for a company to sell you something with warranty and say do whatever you want with it and we will warranty for you
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So i am happy that HTC does not manufacure my notebook ... As i could not live without root acces as a developer And all say the same thing? Where do you get that info i just read through the Nexus 4 warrianty manual plus checked the unlock screen again and it never mentions that i loose warrianty with unlock not in the 106 pages of the manual not on the unlock sreen i cared to paste in the previous post of me. So i think i did my part of research... you did not.. check 46 do you see any mention of the bootloader? check the unlock screen i pasted in the last post of me? Do you see any mention of voiding my warrianty? I dont... So please point me out where it is stated that unlocking the nexus 4 bootloader voids the warrianty!
http://www.lg.com/us/support-mobile/lg-LGE960
And i am sad because of that "may" i am not sure they can lawfully say that. May is not specific. In a contract you cant use the word may...
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Um no it wouldn't. It would be crazy to sell a product and say you rooted that caused the defect. I have dealt with HTC and have sent many phones to them unlocked rooted with custom software and have not had any problem ever. Also please take a look at my signature had to make it to try and combat all the WRONG info out there. This is the USA we have rights when people care to inform themselves of them!
Also note how they always say "may void warranty" what they are really saying is if you do not know your rights we will be more than happy to screw you over as we are corporate and don't care about you at all.
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i dont think you understood what i was trying to say. i you do something that messes something up with the phone then its on you. if its something that fails on the phone that had nothing to do with custom software then they have to fix it. but you take the risk that if you brick it or something like that you foot the bill not the company.
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i dont think you understood what i was trying to say. i you do something that messes something up with the phone then its on you. if its something that fails on the phone that had nothing to do with custom software then they have to fix it. but you take the risk that if you brick it or something like that you foot the bill not the company.
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But as i read through lost of thread seems like this is not the case. Sometimes htc refuses to cover obious hardware defects because of unlocked bootloader.. Yes you can kill harware with software but it is not that easy... yes you can overclock and you can raise the voltage, but if there is too much heat the cpu will starts throttling or even reboot, yes you can overvrite the bootloader with 0-s etc etc, but a simple root should not void your warrianty as it does not do on a notebook. my phone is faster then my wifes netbook why i cannot "own" the two devices the same way, both have cellular data and everything... almost same devices on harware side.
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So i am happy that HTC does not manufacure my notebook ... As i could not live without root acces as a developer And all say the same thing? Where do you get that info i just read through the Nexus 4 warrianty manual plus checked the unlock screen again and it never mentions that i loose warrianty with unlock not in the 106 pages of the manual not on the unlock sreen i cared to paste in the previous post of me. So i think i did my part of research... you did not.. check 46 do you see any mention of the bootloader? check the unlock screen i pasted in the last post of me? Do you see any mention of voiding my warrianty? I dont... So please point me out where it is stated that unlocking the nexus 4 bootloader voids the warrianty!
http://www.lg.com/us/support-mobile/lg-LGE960
And i am sad because of that "may" i am not sure they can lawfully say that. May is not specific. In a contract you cant use the word may...
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obviously you didnt read this manual you just want to sound smart, but here it is right at the begining and both of your picks say something about voiding the warranty
Only authorized personnel should service the
phone and its accessories. Faulty installation
or service may result in accidents and
consequently invalidate the warranty.
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obviously you didnt read this manual you just want to sound smart, but here it is right at the begining and both of your picks say something about voiding the warranty
Only authorized personnel should service the
phone and its accessories. Faulty installation
or service may result in accidents and
consequently invalidate the warranty.
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I read and that is about hardware installation not software smart guy... i am not covered if i try to replace the screen at home... you clearly have problem of understanding written text. Read it more carefully out loudly then you may understand it
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i dont think you understood what i was trying to say. i you do something that messes something up with the phone then its on you. if its something that fails on the phone that had nothing to do with custom software then they have to fix it. but you take the risk that if you brick it or something like that you foot the bill not the company.
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Yes you are very correct.
vick33 said:
But as i read through lost of thread seems like this is not the case. Sometimes htc refuses to cover obious hardware defects because of unlocked bootloader.. Yes you can kill harware with software but it is not that easy... yes you can overclock and you can raise the voltage, but if there is too much heat the cpu will starts throttling or even reboot, yes you can overvrite the bootloader with 0-s etc etc, but a simple root should not void your warrianty as it does not do on a notebook. my phone is faster then my wifes netbook why i cannot "own" the two devices the same way, both have cellular data and everything... almost same devices on harware side.
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You can but people do not know and assert their rights. I don't bother telling HTC my devices are unlocked or rooted I just state the problem and steps I have taken to fix it like a factory reset or whatever. HTC and every other company would love to invalidate as many warranties as possible it saves them money but you have to know what your rights are to assert them. The idea that rooting or bootloader unlocking or changing software in any way voids warranty is just plain crazy and in the USA we are legally protected from such craziness.
nullkill said:
The idea that rooting or bootloader unlocking or changing software in any way voids warranty is just plain crazy and in the USA we are legally protected from such craziness.
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I feel the same way as an electrical and software engineer, but seems like it is a lottery and it they refuse to repair you can try to threaten them by telling them you will go to court, but that is not how it should work. And it is not how it is working with nexus devices as i can tell from my own experience. Thank you for your answers you seem like someone realy into this topic It made me a little less frustrated, but i still not know if i will jump on the htc bandwagon or not... I will try to contact the local htc service next week and will ask their opinion on the problem.
I think the keywords are "May void your warranty" so HTC can decide whether or not to cover you. I have had HTC devices and it's always a risk a person has to take with unlocking the bootloader. HTC using "May void your warranty" simple covers them, so it's up to them if they will cover it or not.
vick33 said:
I read and that is about hardware installation not software smart guy... i am not covered if i try to replace the screen at home... you clearly have problem of understanding written text. Read it more carefully out loudly then you may understand it
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really? it says nothing about hardware or software it just says installation which if you have ever dealt with contracts before its vague for a reason. i thought you started this thread for help in resolving something. seems to me that you already know everything and started this thread to boost your ego. not for help and opinions from other members who have dealt with these companys numerous times before.
vick33 said:
I feel the same way as an electrical and software engineer, but seems like it is a lottery and it they refuse to repair you can try to threaten them by telling them you will go to court, but that is not how it should work. And it is not how it is working with nexus devices as i can tell from my own experience. Thank you for your answers you seem like someone realy into this topic It made me a little less frustrated, but i still not know if i will jump on the htc bandwagon or not... I will try to contact the local htc service next week and will ask their opinion on the problem.
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I agree with you that it's crazy how these companies try and operate. On the Nexus side I am sure you can find reports of people sending in devices that were unlocked and them not honoring the warranty the thing that helped us (with samsung too) is we can remove all traces of what we did :highfive:. Which the fact we have to do that is a bit crazy. In a perfect world companies would honor consumer protection laws and they would be better enforced. I only know about this crap as I'm a cell phone addict longest I've had a device in the last 3 years is maybe 6 months I just can't help it. I'm trying to be good and stick with the ONE as HTC have always tended to be my favorite.
The reason I have faith in HTC is I sent a International HTC One X into HTC USA. First they didn't care it was a international model (try that with sammy and they will laugh at you). Second this was one of the very first One X's so it had the wifi/gps issue very very badly. It was originally a black unit but I didn't like that so I bought a white case and swapped it out. When doing that I discovered the attempted fixes to the wifi antenna. It looked like someone who was a hobbyist at best had solder little metal leads to make better contact with the antenna and it looked horrible. Well I sent that sucker in with the white case and what do you know HTC didn't say anything about the board being soldered on or the fact the case was white. I had told them the phone had been in for repair at carrier before and it helped but then the issue came back (I have no idea what happened to this phone as I was at least the 3rd person who it passed through it's now got a nice home with my friend still going perfect) and now it was acting up again. Not saying everyone will have this luck but if you are smart use your brain and know as much as possible it should help.
Now Its my understanding that changing my IMEI number on my phone is so illegal that my grandchildren will serve part of my jail sentence..
I hard bricked my HTC ONE M7 and sent it to Mobile Tech Videos to be Jtag repaired. After about a month of hardly any communication and him finally saying that he revived my device but couldn't get it to unlock no matter what code was entered. I told him to send it back to me and I would figure something out.
Once I received my device back after a month I started doing some research and then ran a fastboot getvar all and noticed that my serial number was different and my IMEI number was different. Besides how upset I am about that my question is this..
How come its illegal for me to change my numbers but it seems when a Jtag service does it, that seems to be alright?
Now Im stuck with a device that is just as worthless as being hard bricked.
Wondering if I call ATT would they except my new numbers or just a waste of time?
Any thoughts?
It's not illegal to restore the original IMEI, as in a repair.
ATT won't help you with an unlock code for the new IMEI as they have no record of it.
Most likely you got a new motherboard. Also a few people reported unable to unlock after JTAG process. If your Imei is different, take a chance to get an unlock code
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My motherboard wasn't replaced as far as I know.
I played for a new unlock code but doesn't unlock my device.
My device won't even connect to the ATT network.
I've had a Samsung jtag repaired and everything worked great. I believe the connection problem is directly related to the shotty job done by the repair shop.
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cannonofcourse said:
My motherboard wasn't replaced as far as I know.
I played for a new unlock code but doesn't unlock my device.
My device won't even connect to the ATT network.
I've had a Samsung jtag repaired and everything worked great. I believe the connection problem is directly related to the shotty job done by the repair shop.
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sounds like something for you to sort out with your repairer.
cannonofcourse said:
Once I received my device back after a month I started doing some research and then ran a fastboot getvar all and noticed that my serial number was different and my IMEI number was different.
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seems like your MB was replaced
The board was NOT replaced. Also, I'd stress here that you were actually refunded in full (not sure if that was ever mentioned). See the issue that causes this problem as I have outlined in some other threads below...
"We are continuing to dig for a solution but the issue is there is a unique identifier within the eMMC which is checked by the modem through amss.bin with an RSA certification. If this unique identifier is destroyed by user corruption (bricking the phone within that region) then there is currently no way to rebuild it. The most logical way to resolve this issue is to have a developer patch the modem/radio to bypass that check. It should be able to be done and is already being done on the N7100 and I9300 devices which were facing a similar issue...
-Josh"
Mobile Tech is well known and respected here. IF they said it cant be done and they did everything they could then you can trust that.
People need to understand that there is very real risk with what is done here. When you flash your device, you accept that you could brick the device and have to buy a new one. This is all part of game that we play. If you are not willing to accept that then dont mess around with a $600 dollar device.
Where do I start?
connexion2005 said:
The board was NOT replaced. Also, I'd stress here that you were actually refunded in full (not sure if that was ever mentioned). See the issue that causes this problem as I have outlined in some other threads below...
"We are continuing to dig for a solution but the issue is there is a unique identifier within the eMMC which is checked by the modem through amss.bin with an RSA certification. If this unique identifier is destroyed by user corruption (bricking the phone within that region) then there is currently no way to rebuild it. The most logical way to resolve this issue is to have a developer patch the modem/radio to bypass that check. It should be able to be done and is already being done on the N7100 and I9300 devices which were facing a similar issue...
-Josh"
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First of all I would like to make sure Josh (Mobile Tech Videos) and all the entourage are fully aware that Im not an idiot and I can clearly see whats going on here. If you want to continue on with the smoke and mirrors then that's fine we can play this game all year.
I was in fact refunded most of the charges but not all. And I was refunded by a "Paypal" screw up. So lets not get carried away with the sincerity of a half hearted %80 refund.
I dont care about the refund lets get that straight! From a business standpoint sending my phone to get fixed cost me a lot of money in a week but a month I could have bought a new one. I was told 3 days it took 5 weeks and still no phone or resolution. I have heard "Bad Brick" "Your Brick" "Unusually Bad Brick" and my favorite "Your unusual Brick". All these terms are usually defined as Hard Brick. I only sent my device to Mobile Tech to transfer liability of getting the shell opened. I paid for express service then a week later I get a call asking permission to take my device apart. Now... Im not familiar with an HTC One m7 Jtag procedure at all really but especially one through the micro port.
I tried to be patient and wasn't surprised that problems arose. I understand that somethings just cant be fixed but I have tried to communicate with Josh (the staff at Mobile Tech Videos) for over a month then finally i get a message apologizing for the delay and communications problems.
I would like someone to explain to me how all the "Bricked" terms differ please.. And im talking about Dead no response NOT SOFT Brick. My point is dont say you can fix something that you cant fix and if your experimenting with my device I dont care just let me know.
zelendel Must be affiliated with mobile tech or just enjoys swinging from his nuts.. Thanks for the PSA but I think everyone who flashes anything is fully aware of the dangers by the time they get to that point. I dont think anyone accidentally unlocks, roots, installs recovery, downloads the rom they want, and then wonders how they got there or if they can just hit the back button..
I can clearly see that the wide net of "I can fix any device or brick" needs to be reeled in. I will be posting all the posts and transcripts if I need to. I was told by Josh (the entire staff at mobile tech videos) quote "I have not been able to find a solution for this unusual problem and not fix is currently available" So I try and find a solution and all the sudden Im looking down the barrel of mobile tech riff with all the xda troll pose ready to blast me with a fart gun!
Yes thats what I think of the piss poor way this whole transaction as went down and gotten out of control. I would have never sent my device to mobile tech but the professionals didn't seem to have pinouts yet but somehow Josh did. Or did he??? RIP HTC M7
cannonofcourse said:
First of all I would like to make sure Josh (Mobile Tech Videos) and all the entourage are fully aware that Im not an idiot and I can clearly see whats going on here. If you want to continue on with the smoke and mirrors then that's fine we can play this game all year.
I was in fact refunded most of the charges but not all. And I was refunded by a "Paypal" screw up. So lets not get carried away with the sincerity of a half hearted %80 refund.
I dont care about the refund lets get that straight! From a business standpoint sending my phone to get fixed cost me a lot of money in a week but a month I could have bought a new one. I was told 3 days it took 5 weeks and still no phone or resolution. I have heard "Bad Brick" "Your Brick" "Unusually Bad Brick" and my favorite "Your unusual Brick". All these terms are usually defined as Hard Brick. I only sent my device to Mobile Tech to transfer liability of getting the shell opened. I paid for express service then a week later I get a call asking permission to take my device apart. Now... Im not familiar with an HTC One m7 Jtag procedure at all really but especially one through the micro port.
I tried to be patient and wasn't surprised that problems arose. I understand that somethings just cant be fixed but I have tried to communicate with Josh (the staff at Mobile Tech Videos) for over a month then finally i get a message apologizing for the delay and communications problems.
I would like someone to explain to me how all the "Bricked" terms differ please.. And im talking about Dead no response NOT SOFT Brick. My point is dont say you can fix something that you cant fix and if your experimenting with my device I dont care just let me know.
zelendel Must be affiliated with mobile tech or just enjoys swinging from his nuts.. Thanks for the PSA but I think everyone who flashes anything is fully aware of the dangers by the time they get to that point. I dont think anyone accidentally unlocks, roots, installs recovery, downloads the rom they want, and then wonders how they got there or if they can just hit the back button..
I can clearly see that the wide net of "I can fix any device or brick" needs to be reeled in. I will be posting all the posts and transcripts if I need to. I was told by Josh (the entire staff at mobile tech videos) quote "I have not been able to find a solution for this unusual problem and not fix is currently available" So I try and find a solution and all the sudden Im looking down the barrel of mobile tech riff with all the xda troll pose ready to blast me with a fart gun!
Yes thats what I think of the piss poor way this whole transaction as went down and gotten out of control. I would have never sent my device to mobile tech but the professionals didn't seem to have pinouts yet but somehow Josh did. Or did he??? RIP HTC M7
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I'm not affiliated with anyone, but this is not the place to sort out issues you have with a repairer.
Thread closed,
If you have an issue with a repair please take it up with the company that repaired the phone. XDA is not really the place for this and this thread is classed as an off-topic thread.
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