My q is this: Has anyone been able to confirm that the lag is there on ALL phones if we assume they have the same fw and apps installed?
Nope my brother has orginal Bell i9000 without any hacks or mods abd his runs blazing fast .....i was so surprised!!
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JH2 rom stock no lag fix, running very fast, no delay at all
400+ apps installed, i use about 200 of them, most of them are tools or games
I must have about 300 apps installed and am still on stock with no lag fix and the only time I get lag is when updating or installing from the market.
Stock JM1, no root or lagfix, only issues I have are with the slow arse marketplace.
Running JPK.
Without lagfix it runs ok. But when I install the lag fix the speed increase is obvious. Apps start and stop with little to no delay, media scanning at boot takes a fraction of the time, and the odd stutter from going through menus in apps is virtually eliminated.
Until you've compared the phone with and without the lagfix on the same firmware, you wont be able to give a decent answer.
I think most people would be happy with the performance mainly because they haven't experienced anything faster and compared other fast phones.
And maybe some firmwares suffer from lag less than others. Seems to be a bit worse in Froyo but I could be wrong, it's been a while since I used Eclair now.
Hmm, what does this all imply? Can we be sure this is a sw issue when some phones with hundreds of apps have no lag but mine with 100 apps lags as h...?
I have a recent Bell i9000m with stock JH2 and no lag. I've only installed maybe 20 additional apps but the phone is used heavily throughout the day (music, videos, facebook, twitter, browsing, along with regular voice/text).
I ran OCLF just to try it but didn't find any difference in performance, just an over inflated Quadrant score.
Can some lag depend on what memory card is used? Fast quality cards vs Cheaper cards?
I have never had any really annoying lag
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A cheaper/slower external SD card wouldn't cause any system lag because the system isn't doing regular read/writes with it. It might cause a photo gallery or music index to load a bit slower if that kind of data was on the card.
I run a class 4 micro SD and the performance doesn't change.
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Has the time come to finally scrap all the lagfixes with the release of JPA/JPO?
Please, no Quadrant or similar synthetic arguments against. The "real-feel" of the phone is the only relevant benchmark.
So, in your experience in the operation of the new firmwares, comparing them in a native vs. lagfixed state, is it time to dispense with the lagfixes?
Don't think so....
But JPO is speedy when fresh.
Lag is still there, less noticable, but there, you can feel it especially during parallel download and installing apps or when you have a running background updating/sync process.
Voodoo is mature enough anyway, infact, I kinda do miss Voodoo's brightness and color fix on 2.2.
I'm on Jpa,don't feel the NEEd for lagfix...i gets' hung for a while on installation and other small slowdowns,but it's really good overall (noticeably better than cooked jpm/jp6,at least)
Nope, no reason to dump them yet...
Media scanning still takes a while in stock, while with a lagfix it's about 2 seconds. So the phone is in a fully usable state much sooner after booting or when adding/deleting media on the phone.
I also used DolphonHD browser as a test.
On a fresh boot on stock firmware, it takes about 6 seconds to start up.
With a lagfix (I used Advanced EXT4 with one of those custom kernels) it starts up within 2 seconds on fresh boot.
Samsung needs to dump this RFS crap, it's a horrible joke.
There is definitely still lag and random pauses in JPO, no question about that. Although it may be a slight improvement over previous Froyo betas, you still need an EXT4 lag-fix to eliminate the lag and pauses that exist in stock JPO.
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Has the time come to finally scrap all the lagfixes with the release of JPA/JPO?
Please, no Quadrant or similar synthetic arguments against. The "real-feel" of the phone is the only relevant benchmark.
So, in your experience in the operation of the new firmwares, comparing them in a native vs. lagfixed state, is it time to dispense with the lagfixes?
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No - user experience (especially with RSS reader) is still much better with OCLF (10 times faster).
Maybe, if I didn't use RSS reader which requires fast IO I'd live without OCLF...
Oops! I voted no, but wanted to vote yes!
I use JPO and I experienced lag without apps installed.. So clean it lagged. I didn't clear the sdcard before the lag (I think it's useless), but I did reset to factory defaults.
Just like all the Eclair releases, Froyo certainly seems to be getting better with every "release". As already mentioned a few posts earlier, JPA certainly zooms when fresh.
That said, it really is too soon to get rid of lagfixes. When Froyo matures to the level of, say JM9, then would be an appropriate time for such a thought. Till then, hello Voodoo....
The best test of lag would be NewsRob imo. Can someone with a non lagfixed JPO test it out? I can already confirm it flies on JPO + Voodoo.
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I dont have any real lagging issues on my phone but I can see that moving around the inbox is definitly faster with a lagfix, the rest of the phone operations are pretty smooth woth Doc's JPO and the modded kernel.
Compared to ther lesser speced phone the SGS is pretty slow so yes it does need a lag fix at certain functions
heya fellas
question here is with all the lagfixes/kernals
is everybody happy with how fast/reliable the phone is ?
im mainly a tester and was happy since i wont keep a single setup for more than a few days, and since my latest setup,in my situation all it takes is a week and the lag is back ....
wether i was OC'd or not the lag is haunting my phone T_T
current setup is darkys v7 rom and SO 4_5_3 kernal with 1.4mhz set on boot
1 week of normal use with 80 apps installed and lag ranges from 1-8 secs wether it was moving between homescreens/app pages in menu/call log/msgs
last lagfix i was completly happy with was longback when i was on voodoo and OCLF on top of it. i remember the phone was seriously blazing fast like it had everything done before i asked for it, and that setup only lasted a month or so before froyo was out.
i sound like an old hag complaining but seriously who out there is very pleased with a certain setup? anything yall recommend?
I'm on Darky's 7.0 JPY (Have been on Darky's ROMs since 5.1) without a lagfix and the phone is snappy fast, as are all apps I use (about 4 pages of them). Haven't seen it lag in weeks.
Do you face a lag after you launch up multiple apps? Or generally from boot onwards itself?
from boot i know its the media scanner taking over 100% of the cpu
clearing ram clears most of the lag but i notice the crazy lag whenever i have any amount of available ram of 80mb and less
mainly ram jumps between 130mb and 60mb from what i see
got a few widgets to monitor ram/cpu/temp/battery/ and the control widget with 3g/wifi/bluetooth/data/gps/brightness/media scan/reboot and a black background
trying to maintain a small amount of widgets to keep free ram available, pretty much doing my best
I use Autokiller Memory Optimizer with an Aggressive preset, it helps keep multi-task going smooth (Usually have 130~ MB free with it running). Have you tried that application?
I'm on Darky's 7.0 JPY (Have been on Darky's ROMs since 5.1) without a lagfix and the phone is snappy fast, as are all apps I use (about 4 pages of them). Haven't seen it lag in weeks.
Likewise no lag at all .
jje
Most lag comes from bad app.
The only on i can't get lagfree is twlauncher. So i use golauncher instead. I don't se any lag.
I also use ext2 file system.
This with my kernel.
Im happy with this lagfix and i don't think it will be laggy over time.
**Using my own JPX kernel, z4mod, 345MB Ram and ext2 filesystem**
Whilst it never really bothered me in 2.2, in JPX/2.2.1, honestly, I'm not running any hacks. I seriously haven't seen any remotely long stalls anymore. Also, all OS's stall, it isn't only because of "bad apps"; it can also happen when swapping and such. We really don't know enough about the lag problem to say where most lag comes from.
Since JPX also introduces over the air updates (one major flaw with earlier firmwares), if the GPS turns out to perform like fitness-grade GPS (I still need to test that), I'll be extremely happy. But no longer entirely dissatisfied. Taking GPS out of the equation though, I am now happier than I've ever been. If Samsung frees up more RAM, I might even start overlook the GPS problems.
After I test GPS, I'll know for sure.
(PS, I don't use any lag optimisations, because I don't feel they solve the problem properly).
Did you read what this tread was.about?
I can also say with lagfix the phone is better then stock. The latest firmware did alot for the lag, but it still things to do.
**Using my own JPX kernel, z4mod, 345MB Ram and ext2 filesystem**
thanx for all the suggestions fellas
just reverted back to 2.2 (missing darkys already T_T)
will test it out n check how things go
first things first gps surely seems worse than darkys rom for some reason (could it be the modem file ?)
I've had a 16gb Samsung Galaxy S on Three in the UK since they launched last year, and it's the only Android phone I've used.
It's pretty laggy, but since I'd read a lot about Galaxy lag online, I assumed this was to be expected.
However, I had to help a colleague with a problem on their HTC Wildfire today (a lower spec phone, as far as I know), and was amazed how much more responsive than my Galaxy S.
It didn't seem to show any of the laggy, hanging-ey behaviour I experience. I have more apps installed than the Wildfire, but I'm quite careful not to install anything that's going to run at startup or cause problems (mostlly just games, no widgets, etc.)
As an example, if I turn the phone on clean, wait for everything to be loaded and ready (media scanning to finish, etc.) then poke the "Market" button, it takes 28 seconds for it to be loaded and responsive. Close that, poke the Facebook button, over 20 seconds until I'm shown the news feed. Sometimes when the phone rings on my desk, I literally won't be able to get it to respond enough to answer the call before the caller hangs up. If I try to switch from program to program, I end up getting quite a lot of frustrating 20-30s hangs and pauses. This is all on a decent wifi connection, so the problem isn't data related.
The question is - how laggy should a Galaxy S be? Would it work better if I added an SD card (with the 16gb phone memory, I didn't see the need)? Is it worth installing a lagfix under Froyo (I tried one back on 2.1, but didn't notice a huge amount of difference)?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I think its sometimes very busy rebuilding it's wifi connection. Or some other process.
Am not sure.
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I didn't see any speed difference with SD card IN/OUT so i don't think you will have faster phone by inserting it (SD card).
Why don't you try a reset and see if that works? Also are you on eclair or froyo because that would make a world of difference if you upgraded
I just got my sgs from bell Canada last Tuesday. It has all stock with launcherpro and a few Widgets. So far (knock wood) its been a big step up over my HTC dream. I experience maybe 10 seconds of startup lag and then for the rest of the day its awesome. My firmware version is the newest one bell offers (jl2 Frito). What android version are you running?
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Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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That's exactly my experience. The only way to solve it is with a good lagfix and/or flashing JPY firmware
This will get almost instant loading of apps and only minor lags when switching apps. It's still slow when scrolling icons and such... my previous phone, iphoe 3g, is still faster than this crap-phone
Cheers,
Soulbrighter
My Galaxy S was laggy as hell brand new out of the box. Sometimes it would hang for what seemed like 10 seconds. I didn't like the Samsung launcher anyway, so I did my homework, made sure I could get into 3-button download mode, and then rooted, wiped and flashed a custom Froyo ROM. I've tried a few ROMs since then and have landed on Insanity with EXT4 lagfix.
Now my Galaxy S is _awesome_ ... I don't even bother overclocking it, everything is smooth.
try a task killer and set it up to auto kill when screens goes off done a few tests with it ,one with no killer and one with and the one with was faster and had no lag fix running too go to the market and get quadrant standard try it for yourself and see
What's the current firmware you're using ? I suggest flashing to JPY and testing it out.
Update to JPY!
If not possible, install a lagfix on your current ROM/kernel.
The amount of lag you describe is terrible, I have never seen it that bad...
I don't think the lag should be that bad, I did experience some occassional lag back on eclair, but never exceeded 5-10 seconds. Usually after loading whatever that app was once, it'd be okay on the next open too.
Since I've upgraded to JPY i see 1-2 second lag extremely rarely.
Maybe you can get a task manager and see if anything is hogging memory?
Thanks for all the responses. The firmware is FROYO.XXJPO, so I'll definitely try flashing to JPY and will report back! Thanks so much for the tip!
Anyone else experiencing declining performance as uptime grows?
Mine is up for over 154 hours and SD performance has gone to hell.
This is noticeable with music beginning to stutter and Dungeon Defenders (a very demanding game) becoming unplayable. General web browsing also feels less responsive.
I've just rebooted the device and it's fine.
I'm now using MCR Fr17, but I've experienced the same on stock V10D. I wonder if the 0622 update is any better in this regard?
I have never experienced this. What sd-card do you have? I have a class-10 card and it works perfect. And also I don't see how the baseband would change anything for the sd-card but that could be beyond my knowledge. Music stuttering have previously been common in CM7 but is gone in later builds but then it was from start, not after 154 hours of running.
I am referring to the internal SD which is where I store my music and pretty much everything else. I only have a 1GB external SD for flashing ROMs.
Anyway I went ahead and updated to Fr19. Fingers crossed this won't happen again.
I don't think it's the sdcard performance degrading. It may be that your system is not efficiently cleaning up RAM. Thus you're having alot of apps that you've already closed still sitting in live memory. You can use various process managers to check it. (My personal fave is osmonitor.)
Got a sim free o2x and immediately upgraded it to gingerbread using LG's tool.
I have noticed that the performance degrades over time especially noticable with scrolling web pages and youtube.
From a clean boot, i fire up youtube and can watch big bug bunny in 1080p full screen and very smooth. When I come back to it a few days lastr, the same video stutters and the audio also skips. I can create this effect a lot quicker by playing something with the built in video player. After having played a video on SD card, i go back to youtube and its a stutter show again.
Has anyone else experienced anything like this using standard gingerbread on the O2x? I'v tried killing various apps and uninstalling others but nothing very scientific and the only way I can get back to normal performance if with a reboot. Any help gratefully appreciated!
Sounds to me like the ram is busy. Just try an app that cleans up the ram.
Stock kernel has bug in memory management. Solution is to flash for example Spica's kernel, latest r11-c is very very good.
Evidently that supposes to root - instal clockwork mod recovery first.
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Stock kernel has bug in memory management. Solution is to flash for example Spica's kernel, latest r11-c is very very good.
Evidently that supposes to root - instal clockwork mod recovery first.
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I have a problem with Spica's kernel , I think that it doesnt support netfilter (iptables) thus I cant use Droidwall, any solution?
Thanks
Instal iptables from market?
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mgranja.iptables
Edit: the app says that iptables is already installed in kernel, not in the latest version but present. That's perhaps the problem. Only thing is to ask Spica to update to last version.
Ohhhh, i will check it later! thanks!!!
Have tried some RAM clean up apps, unfortunately it makes no difference. The amount of RAM free seemed to make no difference, i had it running smoothly with 82mb free and stuttering with over 100mb ram. If something like this was happening on my linux box I would assume something is hogging the cpu but the apps i have tried seem to indicate nothing is consuming a lot of cpu resources.
I don't want to consider reflashing with another ROM if I can avoid it. Is there anything else I could try?
Kernel problem. Read above.
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Instal iptables from market?
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mgranja.iptables
Edit: the app says that iptables is already installed in kernel, not in the latest version but present. That's perhaps the problem. Only thing is to ask Spica to update to last version.
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Hi, I tried but it doesnt works, same error.
Zub said:
Got a sim free o2x and immediately upgraded it to gingerbread using LG's tool.
I have noticed that the performance degrades over time especially noticable with scrolling web pages and youtube.
From a clean boot, i fire up youtube and can watch big bug bunny in 1080p full screen and very smooth. When I come back to it a few days lastr, the same video stutters and the audio also skips. I can create this effect a lot quicker by playing something with the built in video player. After having played a video on SD card, i go back to youtube and its a stutter show again.
Has anyone else experienced anything like this using standard gingerbread on the O2x? I'v tried killing various apps and uninstalling others but nothing very scientific and the only way I can get back to normal performance if with a reboot. Any help gratefully appreciated!
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Reboot your dam phone then.... pcs also get laggy when they have been on for a long time, so reboot and or flash a decent kernel.
Use stock kernel\rom from 20o
I have the same problem. After about 36 hours, the phone becomes laggy. It lags when waking up the screen, it lags in menus, etc so i have to reboot it every 36 hours or so.
Speaking of kernels and roms, i've tried them all by now. From CM7 (which i could not get along with, functionality wise) to Topogigi, spica, Thanatos, carburano, gueste and erestor.
I am now on gueste 2.1 stable SR1 and the problem persists.
After about 16 hours wake-up and the lockscreen lags, after about 24 hours scrolling becomes choppy, after 36 hours dialer, contacts and other apps start slowly and lag big time.
This is the same behaviour in all roms and kernels tried (except CM7 which is a no go for me).
L.E.:
Of course, rebooting solves the problem for the next 20 hours or so, but its quite inconvenient.