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I want to take a second to introduce myself..my name is Eric
I was here awhile back, as a blackberry user
Now, as a "droid" user
Which form of a droid, yet to be determined.
I"ll spare the long story, I had 3 Nexus', had problems, still swear it is one of the most phenomenal phones, then I decided cause of all the hype and I wanted a large screen, and a black one, less rounded....got an EVO
Well, the phone is great. Sprint customer service.
I didn't hold tru to keeping a story short, but I will hold true to bashing a company. Let your mind do the guessing
So I decided to get a Nexus. I also read all the hype about the Vibrant. I went and got the Vibrant also since I had the money and read that it was spectacular and one of the only things negative is the plastic back and NO flash. Well a lot of phones have plastic parts.. It contributes to a beautiful phone, other parts are metal . Other glass
So I have both phones coming to me.
I asked others in forums if there were people who use two phones, short of people who make them use one for work and another for personal, and they say, NO, and the ones that do do it say it is a pain in the neck.
To make what was supposed to be this SHORT story end, could you please tell me what I could possibly do with two phones. I have asked myself that over and over, clearly the mind of a person who is not able to decide LOL
Which one is better If you are a mod you may have given me your advice in the past
The difference now is this. I hear that there are only several cases of the nexus left and once gone, ninety days from the day of last sale, , what is the correct phrase, customer service will stop (according to Nexus support NOT the ad)
He also said that HTC will handle warranty, but everything else, who knows
Which one should I keep if only one?
I feel the Vibrant. Other than updates (and if you have a spectacular phone, which is what the Vibrant is) there should be no differences, in fact, go with the phone with the most support correct.
I will post in the Nexus side also. Thanks
While there is no substantial dev community yet on the Galaxy S, I assume there will be very soon. Combine the fact that they're rootable with their amazing screen and great GPU, and you have a recipe for pure win.
I would personally keep the Vibrant if you don't mind the flimsier feel of that device. Plus, it's thinner.
Hi, guys. This is my first post here. I want to tell you my not-an-experience with the Nexus7.
I'm from Chile. That means, the only way I can get a Nexus 7 is by importing it. I've been saving up money for months for it, but now that I finally got it all, I started browsing XDA and Android Central forums.
What I can tell, is that if I buy one, there's a very, very high chance I get a faulty device. I've read people saying they're on their third or fourth device, and still faulty! I won't even be able to return it
I'm just thinking out loud, and was hoping to get some input from a community of N7 owners. Maybe some of you are or were on my same situation.
The people posting about issues on the forums are a very small percentage of sales. For example, if 100 people complain of product issues, but 1 million people have flawless devices who didn't report their flawless experience, it would be safe to say you have a slim chance of getting a defective device.
Thing is though, there is no way of telling exactly how many Nexus 7's were sold total or how many people received flawless devices.
Mine was brought from Australia (so no usable warranty) and was from the first batch but I still don't experience any issues with it.
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The people posting about issues on the forums are a very small percentage of sales. For example, if 100 people complain of product issues, but 1 million people have flawless devices who didn't report their flawless experience, it would be safe to say you have a slim chance of getting a defective device.
Thing is though, there is no way of telling exactly how many Nexus 7's were sold total or how many people received flawless devices.
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Yeah, you're right. There are probably less faulty products going around than what I think, but it's also true that there are more faulty devices going around tnat they should!
Anyway, i'm looking into buying the 32Gb without 3g model. Those are new, so manufacture problems should be addressed by now, right?
Honestly what you're seeing is people with tech OCD who are obsessed with getting an absolutely pristine perfect nexus.
I have to admit, I was one of those people at one point. I obsessed about left-side screen lift and extremely minor backlight bleed. I returned many devices and spent a lot of time without my tablet because of it. What I've come to realize is that the way ASUS designs the tablet is that very minor raising of the left-side of the screen is inevitable and there's no such thing (in my opinion) as a Nexus where this doesn't exist, it's pretty much part of the design of the nexus. I think that early models had a much more significant problem in this regard. Every single C90 Nexus that I've ever seen/touched the left side was slightly raised, if only a little tiny tiny bit, compared to the right.
Does this change how you use the tablet day to day, or anything like that? No. The only time it comes into play is when you focus solely on trying to identify screen lift. It's not something I would really worry about. Seriously, I went through like 5 16GB's and 3 32GB's before I came to this conclusion. I've had a much better experience after I've simply stopped obsessing about screen lift or any small little problem that I find and just use the tablet. The 32gb I ended up keeping has the screen lift.. but as I said I've never SEEN a C90 model that doesn't, I think this is due to lack of screws on the left hand side, to prevent cases of SERIOUS screen lift. It also has very very minor backlight bleeding at the top of the screen on full brightness, and (something that seems common to ALL 32gbs) you get pretty noticeable ripple of the LCD on the left side when slight-medium pressure is applied. Couple weeks ago this would have warranted a return... but to be honest I don't notice ANY of these in regular use. The only time it's an issue is when I'm actively looking for them!
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Hi, guys. This is my first post here. I want to tell you my not-an-experience with the Nexus7.
I'm from Chile. That means, the only way I can get a Nexus 7 is by importing it. I've been saving up money for months for it, but now that I finally got it all, I started browsing XDA and Android Central forums.
What I can tell, is that if I buy one, there's a very, very high chance I get a faulty device. I've read people saying they're on their third or fourth device, and still faulty! I won't even be able to return it
I'm just thinking out loud, and was hoping to get some input from a community of N7 owners. Maybe some of you are or were on my same situation.
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Don't buy to much into the whine tendency that seems to be going around on the net about these. I've bought 2 and they were both good. Both from walmart. I'm not saying the rumors are false I'm just saying that I don't think the "failure" rate is worth worrying about more than anything else you may buy at the store.
Small squishy screen lift that you have to hunt for to find does not make your device faulty. Mine has pretty moderate screen lift and I hardly notice it, does not hamper my enjoyment of the device at all.
From everything we know, the 32GB model is exactly the same electronics except a different (bigger) memory chip.
That is true all the way back to the 8GB models - just different memory, allowing for minor engineering changes like in C70, C80, and C90 models.
The White 8GB models handed out at the show did have some minor differences in things like Bluetooth.
If there's no warranty don't buy the N7.
I'm on my 3rd device and I still have to warranty it again. All had different critical issues, such as a row of dead pixels or the speaker not working.
Save a bit more money and buy a device you can warranty easily in your own country.
From your post it sounds like you should not risk the money you had to save up.
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If there's no warranty don't buy the N7.
I'm on my 3rd device and I still have to warranty it again. All had different critical issues, such as a row of dead pixels or the speaker not working.
Save a bit more money and buy a device you can warranty easily in your own country.
From your post it sounds like you should not risk the money you had to save up.
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i would have to agree with this post. I also think the issues are more then 1 in a million as said above . There is no real way to tell what that ratio is. But its known that if you get a faulty device with screen being spongy and do NOT fix or exchange it . The screen will break its just a matter of when. If its a slight screen lift (what most have)You should be fine. The true defect of the screen being spongy is much more rare then the screen lift issue that just makes it a bit raised or bezel warped.
I would say its not worth the risk of getting the issue if you Cant send it back.
I had two defective devices one with bad screen spongy issue . One came where screen cracked on first touch(VERY Rare and not related to any of the so called issues )
My biggest issue is google play and how they handle refunds it took me over a month on the second device and near two on the first. I did buy a 3rd even thou i said I WOULD not do so. It was perfect from walmart. Just yesterday exchanged it for a perfect 32 gb version..
yes this is a long post. NO IM NOT Complaining just telling you your chances of not having a issue is like tossing dice.. Are you a Gambler???
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Hi, guys. This is my first post here. I want to tell you my not-an-experience with the Nexus7.
I'm from Chile. That means, the only way I can get a Nexus 7 is by importing it. I've been saving up money for months for it, but now that I finally got it all, I started browsing XDA and Android Central forums.
What I can tell, is that if I buy one, there's a very, very high chance I get a faulty device. I've read people saying they're on their third or fourth device, and still faulty! I won't even be able to return it
I'm just thinking out loud, and was hoping to get some input from a community of N7 owners. Maybe some of you are or were on my same situation.
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Hey!
I am one of the proud N7 owners, too, and I might share my own experience: I bought my N7 from one of the first production charges directly at Google, and I have to admit that the first device I got had a pixel flickering after unlocking. It made the devices really pretty useless, so I returned it and got the second one, which I still own, because it is just pure perfection What I think and already read is that the production faults are getting less frequent the newer the device is. So the chance to get a "perfect" N7 today is very high compared to the frequency of faults in the first production charges. I can advice you to order it anyway, it is totally worth the effort if you, against all good will, get a damaged device. Also the returning costs + the "normal" price are still much lower than the costs for other tablets.
Have a good day, and good luck with your N7!
I keep hearing in different forums about how the faulty devices might be a very small fraction, but the same people also mention they are on their second or third device like a normal thing. I mean, just in this thread there are already two persons on their third device!
How is this not a scandal yet?
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Honestly what you're seeing is people with tech OCD who are obsessed with getting an absolutely pristine perfect nexus.
I have to admit, I was one of those people at one point. I obsessed about left-side screen lift and extremely minor backlight bleed. I returned many devices and spent a lot of time without my tablet because of it. What I've come to realize is that the way ASUS designs the tablet is that very minor raising of the left-side of the screen is inevitable and there's no such thing (in my opinion) as a Nexus where this doesn't exist, it's pretty much part of the design of the nexus. I think that early models had a much more significant problem in this regard. Every single C90 Nexus that I've ever seen/touched the left side was slightly raised, if only a little tiny tiny bit, compared to the right.
Does this change how you use the tablet day to day, or anything like that? No. The only time it comes into play is when you focus solely on trying to identify screen lift. It's not something I would really worry about. Seriously, I went through like 5 16GB's and 3 32GB's before I came to this conclusion. I've had a much better experience after I've simply stopped obsessing about screen lift or any small little problem that I find and just use the tablet. The 32gb I ended up keeping has the screen lift.. but as I said I've never SEEN a C90 model that doesn't, I think this is due to lack of screws on the left hand side, to prevent cases of SERIOUS screen lift. It also has very very minor backlight bleeding at the top of the screen on full brightness, and (something that seems common to ALL 32gbs) you get pretty noticeable ripple of the LCD on the left side when slight-medium pressure is applied. Couple weeks ago this would have warranted a return... but to be honest I don't notice ANY of these in regular use. The only time it's an issue is when I'm actively looking for them!
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It always makes me smile when I see a post like this.
Someone finally gives up and starts justifying the poor QC by insinuating that it is intentionally "part of the design".
That's a bunch of bull ****.
If that is ASUS' design teams goal, then they should be fired (they probably should be fired anyway..)
Honestly, I've bought a ton of Android devices, and the worst of the lot when it comes to QC are the Nexus devices. It's probably due to the short production schedules and low budgets they allot to make them since they're practically sold at cost. Whatever the driving factor, the truth is I've had way more issues with Nexus products than any others. Every single time I buy a Nexus device I have to exchange it (usually multiple times) before I end up with one that minimizes the flaws.
If some people want to run around pretending they're supposed to be like that, great for them - but I'm not putting blinders on to reality to make myself feel better about having a faulty product or blame it on some type of OCD.
I got very lucky that I only had to exchange my Nexus 7 once before getting one that I thought was almost perfect. Sure enough, a week or two later and here comes the lower left-hand side light bleed.. smh
But to act like you should be OK with it because "that's the way it's supposed to be" is just lying to yourself to calm your perceived "OCD" which is really just wanting a product that performs as they claim it does. I don't remember seeing the Nexus 7 specs including "light bleed" or "slightly raised screen and missing screws for greater product life". I do remember reading about it's "amazing" HD screen...
ericdjobs said:
Honestly what you're seeing is people with tech OCD who are obsessed with getting an absolutely pristine perfect nexus.
I have to admit, I was one of those people at one point. I obsessed about left-side screen lift and extremely minor backlight bleed. I returned many devices and spent a lot of time without my tablet because of it. What I've come to realize is that the way ASUS designs the tablet is that very minor raising of the left-side of the screen is inevitable and there's no such thing (in my opinion) as a Nexus where this doesn't exist, it's pretty much part of the design of the nexus. I think that early models had a much more significant problem in this regard. Every single C90 Nexus that I've ever seen/touched the left side was slightly raised, if only a little tiny tiny bit, compared to the right.
Does this change how you use the tablet day to day, or anything like that? No. The only time it comes into play is when you focus solely on trying to identify screen lift. It's not something I would really worry about. Seriously, I went through like 5 16GB's and 3 32GB's before I came to this conclusion. I've had a much better experience after I've simply stopped obsessing about screen lift or any small little problem that I find and just use the tablet. The 32gb I ended up keeping has the screen lift.. but as I said I've never SEEN a C90 model that doesn't, I think this is due to lack of screws on the left hand side, to prevent cases of SERIOUS screen lift. It also has very very minor backlight bleeding at the top of the screen on full brightness, and (something that seems common to ALL 32gbs) you get pretty noticeable ripple of the LCD on the left side when slight-medium pressure is applied. Couple weeks ago this would have warranted a return... but to be honest I don't notice ANY of these in regular use. The only time it's an issue is when I'm actively looking for them!
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I'm one of those who have this tech OCD problem, and was apprehensive when I was considering buying the Nexus 7. I bought it anyway, and it was perfect from day one, as I guess millions of others were.
As has already been said, there will always be a percentage of bad/faulty products, and any received by XDA members will be heard loud and clear on these forums.
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It always makes me smile when I see a post like this.
Someone finally gives up and starts justifying the poor QC by insinuating that it is intentionally "part of the design".
That's a bunch of bull ****.
If that is ASUS' design teams goal, then they should be fired (they probably should be fired anyway..)
Honestly, I've bought a ton of Android devices, and the worst of the lot when it comes to QC are the Nexus devices. It's probably due to the short production schedules and low budgets they allot to make them since they're practically sold at cost. Whatever the driving factor, the truth is I've had way more issues with Nexus products than any others. Every single time I buy a Nexus device I have to exchange it (usually multiple times) before I end up with one that minimizes the flaws.
If some people want to run around pretending they're supposed to be like that, great for them - but I'm not putting blinders on to reality to make myself feel better about having a faulty product or blame it on some type of OCD.
I got very lucky that I only had to exchange my Nexus 7 once before getting one that I thought was almost perfect. Sure enough, a week or two later and here comes the lower left-hand side light bleed.. smh
But to act like you should be OK with it because "that's the way it's supposed to be" is just lying to yourself to calm your perceived "OCD" which is really just wanting a product that performs as they claim it does. I don't remember seeing the Nexus 7 specs including "light bleed" or "slightly raised screen and missing screws for greater product life". I do remember reading about it's "amazing" HD screen...
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It might not be in the description of the device, but every company has their faults as these devices and the likes are mass produced. It is unavoidable situation, just some companies are less likely to have faulty units.
I agree that it seems more issues are with Nexus devices, but it is the dice you roll for other things you like, preferably Vanilla Android and faster updates.
I have light bleed in the left hand corner.....I just deal with it. Hardly notice it anymore.
If you want everything perfect, Godspeed....you will have quite an interesting busy life, lol!
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Asus QC friggin' sucks. I own a Transformer Prime and a Nexus 7, and they're both crappy hardware wise. I had to use crazy glue to get "fix" the screen lift on my N7.
With that said, Nexus devices are the best. The software is second to none, is supported directly from Google, and is snappy and responsive. It's worth the tradeoff, IMO.
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Asus QC friggin' sucks.
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Lets not blame ASUS as a whole for bad QC. I own a sound card and DVD burner from them, and they are truly flawless (or at least don't show any obvious defects, with months of use).
I got my device a week early from ebuyer.com in the UK. No problems at all. As always, those with problems report them and those with no problems have no need - so are therefore less vocal. Go ahead and buy one, unless you have other financial problems. Techno gadgets are not the most important thing to spend money on.
If I didnt have an option to return a possibly faulty Nexus (or anything) which has a chance of arriving with a fault or developing a fault, then I would not buy it myself...not unless I was prepared to possibly throw the money away.
Far from being OCD, I was happy with my Nexus 7, but after 2 weeks of hardly having used it, I heard a noise as I was pressing the screen. I tracked the noise down to significant screen lift on the left side. I then read up on it and opened the back and found 2 screws missing on the left side and the other 2 loose. I tightened the loose two and tested it again. It was better, but there was visible screen rippling when I pressed the display on the left side. I was not happy and realised it was going to fail again and that perhaps the screen would crack in the end. I was (and am) seriously unimpressed that Asus are obviously aware of this issue and have tried to get around it rather than fix it properly.
I'm waiting for another model where they've fixed this. I dont buy items to put up with stuff. IF I buy a Nexus 7 again, then I will get it from a bricks and mortart store where I can check it first and where I can take it back if need be.
Tell ya what, you can buy my Nexus 7 16GB, which is flawless, for $200+shipping and I'll go out and buy myself a 32GB. Win-win!
I genuinely hope mine comes perfect, but I was just wondering if anyone from HTC has came out to clarify some of the build issues such as gaps in the unibody.
Or if anyone has had contact directly with HTC highlighting these issues.
...and of course what actions HTC will be taking ?
I know the phone was initially delayed but it still seems as though people are receiving defective handsets.
The gap and speaker covers I think htc is looking at the glue for them
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Would be interested to know how many have been returned from the entire 1st large volume of retail units.
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Would be interested to know how many have been returned from the entire 1st large volume of retail units.
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same - a complete guess by me would probably be around 25-30% of XDA users with Ones just from seeing threads etc.
no idea for general people - theyre probably much less fussy
How often are fresh batches made? I mean is it done every couple of week, a month..
I'm thinking of getting the One in May.. Will that be a few batches in?
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same - a complete guess by me would probably be around 25-30% of XDA users with Ones just from seeing threads etc.
no idea for general people - theyre probably much less fussy
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Then again, it's usually the people with problems who post, so the sheer volume of the "my phone is defective" posts that you see may not be completely accurate either.
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How often are fresh batches made? I mean is it done every couple of week, a month..
I'm thinking of getting the One in May.. Will that be a few batches in?
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I'm sure that's late enough. I'm getting one when they hit stores here in the us, and when they come out I'm inspecting them at the store and ill have the sales person burn through the whole stock till I get a good one
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I genuinely hope mine comes perfect, but I was just wondering if anyone from HTC has came out to clarify some of the build issues such as gaps in the unibody.
Or if anyone has had contact directly with HTC highlighting these issues.
...and of course what actions HTC will be taking ?
I know the phone was initially delayed but it still seems as though people are receiving defective handsets.
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im from the first batch no issues here, but i have heard that S4 users are weary of their initial batches, as the plastic used looks kinda cheap
I hops samsung are addressing their issues of making cheap mass produced phones
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I genuinely hope mine comes perfect, but I was just wondering if anyone from HTC has came out to clarify some of the build issues such as gaps in the unibody.
Or if anyone has had contact directly with HTC highlighting these issues.
...and of course what actions HTC will be taking ?
I know the phone was initially delayed but it still seems as though people are receiving defective handsets.
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In terms of gaps and other issues, that's a question of better fittings to fill the gaps. For things like speaker covers falling off, it's probably a glue issue.
Otherwise, there's basically zero issues. Compared to last year, HTC has improved a lot.
Mine is pretty flawless considering the issues that have been reported here. Just a super tiny gap at the top end of the display, but barely noticeable. Not gonna return it, would most likely get a worse one.
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How often are fresh batches made? I mean is it done every couple of week, a month..
I'm thinking of getting the One in May.. Will that be a few batches in?
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Batches are daily
HTC will be focussing in the body issues and camera yields
I would say stricter QA began after 15th of march
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I'm sure that's late enough. I'm getting one when they hit stores here in the us, and when they come out I'm inspecting them at the store and ill have the sales person burn through the whole stock till I get a good one
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This ^^. Although I'm UK Midlands and I'll be having " one " ( pun ) from first batch.
I'll do exactly the same ha ha. I think I'll be ok, I just want to actually get the bloody device now !
The wait is killing me and my Arc S is just dying with its measly 512MBram.
A previous poster makes a good point - only people who have a problem (or a Samsung) are likely to post.
Just to try to redress that, I got my One on March 22nd - clearly an early batch.
It has no overhang, no gaps between the case and edging strip, no loose speaker grille - in fact absolutely no defect that I can find. Up to now, all features have worked perfectly.
This is, without doubt, the best quality and most exciting phone I have ever owned.
I think people forgot how bad things got last year. Last year the One X forums were LITTERED with massive issues. People talking about how the phone overheated to the point that the polycarbonate started to deform, how the display would flicker and corrupt, how there were lamination issues and yellow spots everywhere on the display. How their phone would creak and the massive gaps that would show. How their wifi antenna would break.
A year may seem like a long time ago, but it was only a year ago that the One X had horrible defect rates.
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I think people forgot how bad things got last year. Last year the One X forums were LITTERED with massive issues. People talking about how the phone overheated to the point that the polycarbonate started to deform, how the display would flicker and corrupt, how there were lamination issues and yellow spots everywhere on the display. How their phone would creak and the massive gaps that would show. How their wifi antenna would break.
A year may seem like a long time ago, but it was only a year ago that the One X had horrible defect rates.
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This time HTC will take care as company's future depends on HTC One. HTC really needs a hughly succesfull phone to get back into the business. HTC One X was their worst mistake in terms of QC.
Yup, mostly ppl with issues will complain about the phone, which is absolutely normal in the General or Q&A sections. So I think for the most part the rest don't have any issues. The S3 forums had many threads exposing problems as well, the Amoled screen on mine turned yellowish when tilted 20 degrees or so and there were many issues with black ink marks which made me and several other ppl angry even though it's an amazing phone.
I think it's normal to try and see if other ppl have the same issue and if there is a solution. Aside from the uneaven build quality which many early batches have I'd say that's very good issues wide.
I don't get why there could be issues between owners of HTC and Samsung, we're all supposed to be on the same side and trying to make android and our android phones better. Both phones are good no one can deny that
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Yup, mostly ppl with issues will complain about the phone, which is absolutely normal in the General or Q&A sections. So I think for the most part the rest don't have any issues. The S3 forums had many threads exposing problems as well, the Amoled screen on mine turned yellowish when tilted 20 degrees or so and there were many issues with black ink marks which made me and several other ppl angry even though it's an amazing phone.
I think it's normal to try and see if other ppl have the same issue and if there is a solution. Aside from the uneaven build quality which many early batches have I'd say that's very good issues wide.
I don't get why there could be issues between owners of HTC and Samsung, we're all supposed to be on the same side and trying to make android and our android phones better. Both phones are good no one can deny that
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What is more funny is you have guys setting up threads complaining about the phone, when they dont even own one
I assume phone is now delayed due to build issues and also from what I hear camera issues be it software or hardware ?? Went to buy one from 3 the strand uk they had none but when I was looking to buy the manager got on the phone then said some are on the way. I asked about issues and he basically avoided the questions so asked about stock levels and he wouldn't tell me. I was put off by the staffs shady behaviour so it convinced me to wait for 64gb which was advertised on an in store flyer. I asked about it and manager said they wont get it. Just felt like they were not being honest want the phone now but decided to wait. Just hope 64gb is released in uk!!!
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AW: Have HTC recognised build issues ?
Please, close this thread!
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Gaps in the unibody is a completely made up issue imo. I have still not seen a gap in the construction in any photo posted here. I have seen small gaps, as thin as a hair, where the speaker grille attaches. This is not the zero-gap unibody, it's a speaker grille. This phone is built better than probably any phone on the market today, or in recent memory. All of the whining about "poor build quality" sounds childish and is undeserved by HTC. If anything they deserve some praise for the incredibly GOOD build quality of the One.
I have an HTC One and I laid it face down on my desk at work and the phone rocks like a table with uneven legs. What concerns me is I can easily twist the phone back flat with very little pressure (almost no pressure at all). The phone seems to have very little structural rigidity since it is glued together instead of being screwed together. Has anyone else noticed the unibody twisting?
I'm unable to repeat what you're saying (not that I have a clue why you're trying to do it in the first place). The build quality on this phone feels waaaay too solid for me to warp it even slightly.
I didn't intend to bend the phone, I noticed it was twisted when I laid it down. I was curious if anyone else noticed the the phone not being flat when laid face down.
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I didn't intend to bend the phone, I noticed it was twisted when I laid it down. I was curious if anyone else noticed the the phone not being flat when laid face down.
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Perhaps it came to you that way? Mine is certainly flat.
Thanks for the heads up I'll remember not to twist and bend and rock my phone while its on the table.
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Perhaps it came to you that way? Mine is certainly flat.
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It is as if the rigidity is gone on my phone. I will go by ATT tomorrow and see what they say about the twisting.
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Thanks for the heads up I'll remember not to twist and bend and rock my phone while its on the table.
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I know it sounds odd that the phone is twisting, but it is twisting.
I went to ATT today and the rep acknowledge the unibody is flexing and its not normal. His advice was to wait and see if the flexing worsened, if it does then send it in for repair under warranty... because right now he thinks HTC would claim it is in tolerance and return it unrepaired.
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I went to ATT today and the rep acknowledge the unibody is flexing and its not normal. His advice was to wait and see if the flexing worsened, if it does then send it in for repair under warranty... because right now he thinks HTC would claim it is in tolerance and return it unrepaired.
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If your within the return period you have the right to swap it out for another if you are not satisfied.. HTC shouldn't even get involved. Speak with the supervisor if they give you issues
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I have returned one HTC one already for cosmetic defects (speaks grills and display glued in crooked), because of this they say this defect has to be sent off for repair. They say they cannot exchange it again again in house.
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I have returned one HTC one already for cosmetic defects (speaks grills and display glued in crooked), because of this they say this defect has to be sent off for repair. They say they cannot exchange it again again in house.
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Have you tried another store?
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I decided to call the ATT tech line... The tech was sympathetic to my problem and we had a conference call with a HTC rep. After explaining my issue with the phone he recommend that ATT swap it for me as the described defect was not repairable. The HTC rep also said the phone should not flex at all. The ATT tech then setup an in store exchange for me...I made the exchange and all is good.
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I know it sounds odd that the phone is twisting, but it is twisting.
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So, is the phone "Twisted" or is it "Twisting" lol ... I can understand if you have a faulty phone and it left the factory twisted but the way you are wording things suggest it started off straight and each day you wake up it's a little more twisted lol
... I'd just take it back to the shop you bought it from and get it swapped if it's defective.
me too
I found this thread after searching for ‘htc one twisted’ in google.
I also have this problem. Having owned the phone for just over 2 weeks I took it out of its official HTC flip case to dust it off and for some strange reason laid it face down on my desk and noticed that it did not lie flat! Closer examination reveals that the whole device is in fact twisted along its long axis. Now that I have noticed it, I see it all the time.
One difference however to the other story here is they mine is quite rigid and would not straighten...proof I suppose that I have not mistreated it.
I have had other issues which resulted in me sending it back such as a scratch out of the box, ill fitting sim tray, poorly finished edges and just general poor workmanship. I worked in a lab for many years making instruments and if I made something like this, even without the twist, I would have honestly thrown it out and started over.
I have phoned HTC and they have so far been very helpful and have promised to replace the case of the phone for me. It was just collected today so Ill keep you all posted.
Think uri geller has been at ur phone dude
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I found this thread after searching for ‘htc one twisted’ in google.
I also have this problem. Having owned the phone for just over 2 weeks I took it out of its official HTC flip case to dust it off and for some strange reason laid it face down on my desk and noticed that it did not lie flat! Closer examination reveals that the whole device is in fact twisted along its long axis. Now that I have noticed it, I see it all the time.
One difference however to the other story here is they mine is quite rigid and would not straighten...proof I suppose that I have not mistreated it.
I have had other issues which resulted in me sending it back such as a scratch out of the box, ill fitting sim tray, poorly finished edges and just general poor workmanship. I worked in a lab for many years making instruments and if I made something like this, even without the twist, I would have honestly thrown it out and started over.
I have phoned HTC and they have so far been very helpful and have promised to replace the case of the phone for me. It was just collected today so Ill keep you all posted.
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UPDATE:
Despite being very helpful on the phone, HTC has returned my device with a letter stating that "we were unable to replicate the fault" despite me sending pages of photographs showing the problem. Because of this stunning incompetence I have written letters of complaints to both HTC and Phones4u. Under the sale of goods act I have the right to a device "of satisfactory quality and fit for purpose". I am not happy at all, in fact I am furious with HTC keeping the phone for a week, essentially acusing me of having an overactive imagination and returning the phone with further damage! I plan to take this as far as it needs to go until I am satisfied.
You can see details of my problems here by the way: http://kelvinvine.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/my-stunningly-twisted-htc-one/
I read your blog post and was pretty sympathetic of your situation until that last line... Buy an iPhone instead?! Are you nuts?! Heathen!
But seriously, I remember that after I had my phone for about a week i noticed the exact same thing you're talking about. It was a bit teeaned) tweaked, and I could twist it straight. But then I got distracted by how amazing my phone was and completely forgot about it just now. I can understand how the scratches that it came with are pretty unacceptable, but completely discrediting an amazing phone because of a few millimeters of twist? That's like buying an amazing sports car that's fast, comfortable, gorgeous and in every way perfect, but then saying it's a crap car because there is a cosmetic defect that you wouldn't even notice in day to day use and that doesn't impact the user experience at all. It's just silly.
Every day I love my HTC One more and more. It's an absolutely revolutionary phone and I would recommend it to anyone. If you're a nit-picky person who's going to be obsessed with microscopic imperfections, that's fine and you have every right to be that way, but don't mislead people onto thinking that the average person wouldn't be ecstatically satisfied with the HTC One
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I read your blog post and was pretty sympathetic of your situation until that last line... Buy an iPhone instead?! Are you nuts?! Heathen!
But seriously, I remember that after I had my phone for about a week i noticed the exact same thing you're talking about. It was a bit teeaned) tweaked, and I could twist it straight. But then I got distracted by how amazing my phone was and completely forgot about it just now. I can understand how the scratches that it came with are pretty unacceptable, but completely discrediting an amazing phone because of a few millimeters of twist? That's like buying an amazing sports car that's fast, comfortable, gorgeous and in every way perfect, but then saying it's a crap car because there is a cosmetic defect that you wouldn't even notice in day to day use and that doesn't impact the user experience at all. It's just silly.
Every day I love my HTC One more and more. It's an absolutely revolutionary phone and I would recommend it to anyone. If you're a nit-picky person who's going to be obsessed with microscopic imperfections, that's fine and you have every right to be that way, but don't mislead people onto thinking that the average person wouldn't be ecstatically satisfied with the HTC One
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You really should give people the benefit of the doubt before resorting to name calling. If you read my blog post before that one you will only see praise for the HTC One. Of course its a great phone other than the build quality and I would buy another if the post-sale treatment wasn't so distasteful. My post was ONLY ever about the disappointing build quality and the stupendously incompetent HTC repair staff. This is fact backed up by photographic evidence, not my opinion...and not name calling....which is unfortunately what pervades the internet during technology discussions.
Just to clarify, I am certain the average person will be completely happy with the HTC One. However I expect a premium product when I pay a premium price. Some may call me nit picky while others will say I am a connoisseur. Think fine wine. Notwithstanding, This doesn't mean I should not let the world know about the potential for problems so other nit picky people like myself, whom I know quite a few of, can steer clear does it?
And I'm not really going to buy an iPhone...oh god...its a figure of speech...but if I did....you shouldn't have a problem with that either....as I know loads of average, and even above average people with iPhones.
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You really should give people the benefit of the doubt before resorting to name calling. If you read my blog post before that one you will only see praise for the HTC One. Of course its a great phone other than the build quality and I would buy another if the post-sale treatment wasn't so distasteful. My post was ONLY ever about the disappointing build quality and the stupendously incompetent HTC repair staff. This is fact backed up by photographic evidence, not my opinion...and not name calling....which is unfortunately what pervades the internet during technology discussions.
Just to clarify, I am certain the average person will be completely happy with the HTC One. However I expect a premium product when I pay a premium price. Some may call me nit picky while others will say I am a connoisseur. Think fine wine. Notwithstanding, This doesn't mean I should not let the world know about the potential for problems so other nit picky people like myself, whom I know quite a few of, can steer clear does it?
And I'm not really going to buy an iPhone...oh god...its a figure of speech...but if I did....you shouldn't have a problem with that either....as I know loads of average, and even above average people with iPhones.
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I consider your post pretty fair and your point more or less valid, but... conoisseur? Really? For being able to distinguish between a straight line and a not so straight line? In a mass produced gadget?
I fail to see the parallel between this and someone of discerning and educated taste.
Even if it was just an analogy, the simple fact that you chose to use that word in your analogy just stinks of an unsubstantiated sense of superiority. I don't know you and I may be wrong but this is what you come across as.
Sorry for going off topic and picking on people in this thread but i just had to speak my mind.
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I consider your post pretty fair and your point more or less valid, but... conoisseur? Really? For being able to distinguish between a straight line and a not so straight line? In a mass produced gadget?
I fail to see the parallel between this and someone of discerning and educated taste.
Even if it was just an analogy, the simple fact that you chose to use that word in your analogy just stinks of an unsubstantiated sense of superiority. I don't know you and I may be wrong but this is what you come across as.
Sorry for going off topic and picking on people in this thread but i just had to speak my mind.
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I am glad to know that you thought my post was fair though....despite the personality clash!!!! :highfive:
Serial numbers are not revisions
There's thread after thread after thread about Nexus defects and "311k fixed this but broke that". I've been posting a common response in most of these threads multiple times but it is too much effort to keep doing this.
Now please, all of you do this. Boot into your bootloader and look at your hardware version. It's rev_11, right?
That's because there is only ONE hardware version as per LG's understanding.
So what does 310, 311, 312 mean? Well it looks like month of manufacture doesn't it?! October, November, December?
2013-10K
2013-11K
2013-12K
2014-01K
"But, but, but i've got bigger speaker holes and my buttons don't rattle..."
Sure, manufacturing tolerances mean there will always be slight variances. Devices are built on different manufacturing lines, in different plants, in different countries perhaps - all maintained and calibrated by different teams. This is common. It is impossible (IMPOSSIBLE) to manufacture 2 identical devices. Humans are not good enough at it. This is why all the CPU's are binned between PSV 0-6.. these are within tolerance. Otherwise they'd all be PSV 3, or whatever is thought to be "optimum".
These tolerances mean that there are variations in every single component. No 2 are identical, meaning no 2 Nexus 5's are identical. Technically, every Nexus 5 is a variation. A variation of the perfect one, which probably doesn't exist
All these questions about "If I buy from store x" or "If I RMA now"..... "will I get new version?" Are pointless... there are no newer versions.
The defects reported exist across all the serial numbers. My 310 doesn't have any button rattle. It only rattles the autofocus when I rattle the device from side to side. So to say all 310's buttons rattle and all 311's fixed this is false... and now we have 312's with rattle... what happened? Did LG remove the fix? No! It was never a fix.
It seems some people want to RMA based on their serial number and nothing else or trying to avoid a particular serial... don't. Buy the device normally. If it has specific faults that you're not willing to put up with, RMA it. That's it. Please stop stressing about serial numbers. Buy your device and enjoy it, but please can we try and keep these threads where everyone posts "I've got a 311k and I have x fault" to a minimum? They're not helpful and mean nothing and clog up this forum with nonsense.
I admit the Defects thread may serve some purpose but this is happening there too, meaning the information is tainted.
Further logic
Here's some further logic I would like to include in this post.
The Nexus 5 is not manufactured in batches. It is manufactured 24/7. There is no end of an old batch and beginning of a new batch. The phone that rolls off the production line at 23:59 on October the 31st gets the 310K serial number. The very next phone that rolls off the same line at 00:00 on November 1st gets the 311K serial number.
If a fault had been found in 1 out of every 200 Nexus 5's, where the vibrator motor was faulty, what do you think would happen? Do you think that LG would discard the millions of vibrator motors they have in stock, replace every one with millions more and cease production immediately until the new motor is put in? The fact of the matter is if for every 1 Nexus 5 with a faulty vibrator, there are 199 with a working vibrator, it would be cheaper to repair the 1. What would you do if you were LG? Would you discard 199 good "type A" vibrators and buy 200 "type B" vibrators? Would you stop all of your productions lines and lose money by being unable to service demand? Or would it be cheaper to repair that 1 faulty device with a new vibrator and let the other 199 get manufactured and sold? Would you use up all the old stock of "type A" vibrators until they were gone, knowing only 1 in 200 would be faulty, then when you run out, start using "type B"? I certainly would as that is much cheaper than ceasing production in multiple plants around the world ans scrapping all the good "type a" motors.
In regards to the above, would all "type A" vibrators run out at 23:59 on October 31st, in every plant around the world? Then at 00:00 on November 1st, all "type B" would be used? If you were to scrap all "type A" vibrators and replace them with "type B", would you wait until the next month, when the serial number automatically changes? What would be the significance in that? If you're really going to be bold and scrap them all, you wouldn't wait until the end of the month. if you were happy to wait until the end of the month, then there would never have been a need to scrap them all in the first place. If the bold decision to scrap them ALL is made, you'd do it immediately
If you tightened Quality control, or started adding more glue to hold something in place, would you wait until midnight on the last day of the month to implement it? Why?
If tight rocker buttons and larger speaker holes are a fix and LG have waited to change serial number before implementing the fix, why are there even newer devices with newer serial numbers that do not have this "fix"? If loose rockers are something that needs to be fixed, why haven't all older devices got them? Why hasn't mine?
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thanks for ur effort to explain it.
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Hi,
I can't agree more...
Great explanation! You had me at "manufacturing tolerances". Everyone wants a perfect device, but humans are not.
+1
I tried to explain this once, but my post got buried so I gave up.
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Great explanation! You had me at "manufacturing tolerances". Everyone wants a perfect device, but humans are not.
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True. Im not happy if my device comes damaged or actually faulty, it will be RMA'd.
Im happy with my device. I don't care about light bleed that I have. It happens
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People make imaginary problems with their device and it manifests into some sort of "problem". Damage/faulty = RMA but otherwise they should learn on how to be contented. Google and whoever they partner with is not perfect. Even if they partner with others, still the same result; there would still be some sort of fault/negative side otherwise a very good phone with killer specs.
So what hardware version do you have?
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Good to know that I am not alone with this s/n madness.
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Good post, think when slightly tweaked version of the same phone comes out i.e bigger speaker holes etc people then think my phone needs to go back for exchange when it really probably doesn't.
Some people won't be happy until they RMA so many devices for b######t reasons that we pay full HTC and Samsung flagship prices for a Nexus. Even still they'll RMA as they probably did with phones from other manufacturers.
There is a YouTube video that shows a better sound/mic module.. it's probably in the newer models but didn't warrant a revised version number for whatever reasons.
I had a 311k revision 11 that had every problem in the book, weak noisy vibration motor, 3 dead pixels, rattling power button. I RMA'd and got another 311k revision 11. Guess what? Same phone, vibration motor vibrates as it should without being noisy, no dead pixels and buttons are all solid with no rattling!
Love this phone. Can't help but laugh about obsession over a serial number, do these folks do the same with all their devices? Maybe their new car has the wrong VIN, should they try to exchange it?
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Thank you times 100 Mr. rootSU. If you have a faulty device, by all means return it. As for these people who keep returning perfectly good devices, one after another, thinking if only they return enough devices, eventually they'll win a "new and improved" phone in some mythical Nexus 5 lottery, cut it out. Seriously this behavior will have implications for all us. Google already sells the Nexus devices for basically zero profit in order to grow the Android user base and developer community. Google wants to keep their customers happy, but every time someone returns a device it eats into their bottom line as they obviously can't resell a used device as new. So what do you think they're going to do to recover the cost of excessive and unnecessary returns? They'll pass it off onto the consumer in the form higher hardware prices (do you want to pay $500 for the next Nexus?) and they'll revise their liberal return policy in order to deter excessive returning, thereby making the process more difficult and time-consuming for people who legitimately need a replacement device.
I've said a bunch of times on this forum and I'll say it one more time, there never was a hardware revision, there is only one version as per the revision number in the bootloader. The serial numbers vary depending on where and when the device was manufactured, and as you can see their are slight variations between products produced on different assembly lines. The machines may be calibrated differently from one line to another, some assembly lines have tighter quality control than others, etc. The bottom line is there exists only one revision. Even if at some point Google and LG do decide to revise the hardware, it doesn't entitle everyone who previously bought the device to a replacement. As long as you received a functional device, they're fulfilled their contractual and moral obligation. They don't have to replace previously purchased devices just because they come out with something better in the future. This is just the cost of early adoption. Like I said, if you receive a faulty device, by all means exchange it. If not, enjoy your device and be grateful that you can buy a top-of-the-line Android handset for $400 contract-free and carrier-unlocked.
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Finally someone else was tired of seeing these..
ALSO about stuff like "Why you picked N5 over XX phone" or "What you Like or Dont Like".... we dont need more then 1 thread.....
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Finally someone else was tired of seeing these..
ALSO about stuff like "Why you picked N5 over XX phone" or "What you Like or Dont Like".... we dont need more then 1 thread.....
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The N5 versus G2 got dirty wherein the OP should've started the fire by comparing the N5 and G2. With all these stupendous threads appearing, it makes me NOT want to buy the N5 simply because if I'm a simple user not interested in rooting, unlocking bootloader etc., I would've thought I WASTED my money in all this "imaginary" problems and even if I wasn't a simple user, it would still hinder me because the experiences felt so real...until you realize that turning off one app that you're not using fixes the damn problem.
#Preach
Clearly this is an unhealthy obsession. There's simply no reason to be this balls deep hung up on a hardware version. Our phones are meant for entertainment. Period. It sounds like these obsessed folks might actually have their priorities all out of whack. If we took a step back and realized that these blips (issues) are not relevant for what's going on in our lives. We can immediately disregard a tiny rattling problem nothing at all. Because its not. Nobody should define their life around a phone. Let's just have fun with our phones and let that be for what it is. Fun. Nothing more.
Regarding speaker holes....
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If the back cover is being injection molded, which is probably the case, then there could be an issue with the tooling in some form or fashion.
There could be an insert that is used to create those holes. So there is a possibility that the insert was manufactured improperly, and there is only one like that out there. So, every X phone gets larger holes. In the grand scheme of things, its not a big deal to someone who performs the QC. The specified tolerances could be so wide that a variation of that magnitude is still considered a pass.
If the material is slightly different, the mechanical properties could be to the point where the molded material shrinks or "cools" differently causing the holes to enlarge.
There is really no way in telling unless you get a hold of the person at Google/LG who designed the back cover and look at their CAD. Then compare to the tooling and parts themselves.
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